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TIC - One type of layout that doesn't seem to have become a cliche is the Treacle Mine private siding, although I seem to recall there was one some decades ago. If one more appears it will be cliche Looking through some of the early 'Railway Magazine' for 1897 - 1899, there are some interesting articles on how the railways worked certain traffic, including brick works, Jam and Broccoli. I suppose Jam is not that far removed from Treacle.... and weren't there some Molasses Tank wagons?? I had thought of doing a LNWR BLT many years ago, about the same time as Dave Pennington did his delightful Stanmore, I was surprised to find there were very few BLT's on the LNWR worth modelling, considering the size of the LNWR, that is compared with say the post-grouping GWR BLT's - in my opinion... .

TIC - I think it will be easier seen if you look on the LEFT hand side as you walk down from Tesco's car park..... It has a Red ediface (and Yellow I think)

An interesting read, re. cliches there's this from that site too, circa 1965 'Certain proprietary products became notorious: Superquick kits were a particular cliché and the Superquick low-relief buildings eventually came to blight any layout on which they appeared'. I had some correspondence with CJF in the late 60's, where I implied that everything was GWR, he said that's because that's what people want, to which I replied, 'but that's all that's available in the RTR market to buy'. We agreed to differ, and then the LMS Society burst forth....

CK, if you compare the lever positions of the levers pulled off in Wordsell Forever's photo of the Upper Holloway box with the position of your's, your only about half-way there.... unless of course your's it's not a genuine Midland Frame, but a replacement by the BR WR

David, have you sorted your aluminium Corrugated Iron/Asbestos sheeting out yet? I have used the 34mm x 140mm sheets from Eastwell Iron Works and found them to be satisfactory. There's six sheets in a pack, I think you will need a few packs for the roof though Penlan PS - if you want a pack to test, I've one doing nothing (for about 15 years now!) you can have, PM me.

As stated many times a cracking MRJ show, unless, I was told, you were a trader, it was to crowded for anybody to get their wallets out, and being 'crowded' by a trade stand is not conducive to feeling at ease for spending money. I went with a party of us from North Worcestershire, the West Midlands EMGS Area Group of the time. I saw Hursley, but we must have been in early (which we were) as I don't recall queuing to any degree, but certainly recall the queues later. There were other great layouts to see too.........

Not directly related but there's discussion at http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/18741-alex-jackson-couplings/page__p__181112__hl__flubrush__fromsearch__1#entry181112 on the AJ and S&W's etc., which followed on from various topics on the old RMweb, I wonder how flubrush got on with his P4me couplings.. There may be something of relevance.

MBD's ? , but where from, as you mention on the 'Modelrailforum' they are similar to D&G's, but there is no pointer to a site where these may be either viewed or obtained, or indeed for any further information on them. Google doesn't help either. A reference site for MBD's would be helpful, please. Penlan - using LisaP4 couplings and 3 link.. PS, I have been in touch with 2ManySpams off line re. the Bringewood, hopefully Chris is sorted.

Thank goodness for that! $16k for this, evidently I'm missing something, but I don't think it's common sense - but that could be Catch 22.

I like the office building especially, captures the spirit of thing, but, the top of the drain pipe may need to be connected a bit more securely, perhaps through a hole in the facing!!!

Peter Kay's reprint 'Railway Signalling and Communications', published in the 90's (ISBN 1 899890 24 6), states the following information which may help: On straight stretches spaced on average 65 yards apart. (=780mm or 30inches in 4mm scale). Placed on the inside of curves wherever possible. Space between post is reduced to 50-60 yards on curves - sharper the radius, reduce the spacing. Lowest wire height when crossing: The railway lines - at least 17 ft above track Occupation crossings - 16ft above road Main roads - 20ft minimum However I think you will need to reduce that distance apart to give a visual spacing effect that feels comfortable, due to our perception of what the distance is rather than reality - mine are closer than 60yds, but then again I do have quarter mile posts at 17'4" apart (more or less correct in 4mm) - useful for checking train speeds over the quarter mile, 15 secs = 60mph, 45secs = 20mph. We occasionally, at exhibitions, run a book on 'What speed is this train travelling at' and noting the time between the quarter mile posts, no money changes hands, but more than 20% variance in speed for the answer is a round forfeited in the pub later on..... , and yes most people are wide (a slower speed answer) of the mark, we have known a whole evening go by without the need to buy a pint......... because of the generosity of other exhibitors !!!!!!!! I thought we had covered this topic extensively in the past, but 'Telegraph Pole' in the search box (and Forums) revealed nothing obvious on RMWeb.

Donedeal.ie - well if somebody parts with 1,000 EU's then they have been done.

I know it's later than WW1, but yes.........

I think you may have a miss-conception of retirement activity, my experience shows there is LESS time.... Good to meet you and PhilH over the weekend.

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Jol, I always fancied the 4-4-0 Renown, inside 2 cylinder, simple late Victorian/Edwardian lines. See here photo ref 1259. The Benbow with the outside cylinders and a more complicated running plate (or whatever it's called) here photo ref 1243 Here's because not sure on copyrights etc., - the website is at http://www.warwickshirerailways.com

Off at an angle..... Presumably these are panel mounted controllers, I have used a simple switch to change from panel mount to a hand held (HH). The HH plugs into the Panel unit (or nearby), there's a changeover switch on the panel for Panel or HH. The HH has a 'pot' and a on/off switch only, no Transistor in the HH making the unit hot, the Changeover switch both on the panel and in the HH operates a DPDT relay in the panel unit. The source of power for the HH on/off switch is the same + as goes to the 'pot'. A diagram can be made available....

I can remember the late Guy Williams saying the simplicity of the LNWR 4-4-0's was very difficult to catch with just horizontal lines, getting everything parallel. See you at Expo Jol, and that chimney on the 'Bloomer' looks nice. Penlan

Now I've managed to access my own PC, it was actually www.thesignalworks.co.uk however the web site owner I believe retired recently and the last update issue covered was MRJ 184. The above web site is now closed down. For those of us who still live in the age of DOS, doing searches on spreadsheets is something we find easy, and the above Excel sheet could be referred to off line too, if you had downloaded the Excel spreadsheet(s), however having had a look at the MRJ by Matt Ots I can see it's a useful online tool, and I concede it digs deeper than the Excel version I had. Thank you for bringing this site to my attention, again because I'm sure it's been refered to before, I'm just a bit slow at times...... Apart from Jol's article in MRJ, there was also an extensive article by Chris Gwilliam in the February and March 1997 'Modelling Railways Illustrated'. Penlan

Larry Many thanks for the panel, this is similar to the one I had many years ago, it surprises people just how far from white the LNWR flake white is when set next to 'proper' white. Penlan

Jol I was going to refer to your very useful article, but as I couldn't put my hand to it and the 'signalbox' Excel MRJ listings are no longer available, I couldn't give the reference. Struth.... MRJ 52, that's a long ago, I'm really passing Time by quickly these days. Penlan

Got back to my own PC now, and well none of the pictures of my own stock seem to do them justice (?) so here's one of the TPO in the NRM at York. Oh and just found an old photo (about 20 years ago) of a trial paint job on a Trevor Charlton etched zinc body, this, I think, shows the sort of primary colour of the white..... Like all things, daylight, tungsten, florescence and now Leds will show up different colours when viewed under anything but the light you painted it in. This shows my method, Purple first to the bottom panels, then the white to the top, then the lining, and finaly putting in the thin purple lines on the beading etc. In 4mm I don't do the white lines to the carriage end and door edges, Larry's a lot better than me, he can do it.... and do it very well. PS - this etched coach was a test piece for paint density, lining bow pens etc, it certainly wouldn't win any prizes bar the wooden spoon. Penlan

I would go with the Precision range of paints, there are others out there, but they are a hopeless match. The white does have a blue tinge, in fact back in the 70's when I had some original scrapings it was more like a French grey or duck egg blue. I did a series of photo's about 30 years ago for exhibitions to show the individual colours and then what they looked like all together - the duck egg blue looked white etc., etc., I think the important thing to remember is that individualy the colours may look wrong but together WITH the lining (I used Humbrol 27 I seem to recall) everything glows...... There was a LNWR white put out about 20 years ago by a company in Wales, it looked like GWR cream, completely wrong. This is Larry's beautifully painted LNW coach (from his blog) http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_11_2009/blogentry-6680-12576347331983.jpg The full blog can be viewed at http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/blog/310-coachmanns-carriage-blog/ Penlan

I'm sure it has been mentioned somewhere, but when do you anticipate Millport being back in full operation at Wigan - my layout Penlan is booked for Wigan in 2012, will there be a LNWR double act? I know it was there at the last Show, although being so close to Christmas I had other commitments in West Cornwall that prevented me popping in to see Millport...... Penlan

To enable the Rectangular Tank Wagons to convey away from the Gasworks, the resulant Tar byproduct. Penlan