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  1. Larry I am still using Britrail screw couplings having been given some many moons ago by Peter Everton. Peter built several locos as demos for the Far East to show what was required. Nick ps How's the op going now - had mine 28 years ago!
  2. Going back to MGW. This partnership was Rod Maclaren, Alan Gibson and a chap called Webb whose first name I forget. They worked out of a unit here in Colchester and their products were for a time at the forefront. Their instability was renown and gained them, at least around here, the nickname 'Maclaren's Grotty Wheels'. Alan went his own way and that is history, but Rod went on to buy 3H although nothing much seemed to come of it.
  3. Just been pointed in the direction of these posts. Happy days! Tony's memory is pretty good about the NORFOLK & GOOD wagon (it must be said in a Scottish accent to have full effect). The original wagon was 7mm Slaters and was painted by me for Wally Mayhew's 7mm fine scale layout, but the idea was that of the Late Fred Newman who was something of a wag. Building coaches for Ronne Hoare (the UK Ferrari Concessionaire) Fred once said, I think I would like a varnished teak Ferrari - Ronnie said No Problem - White roof I presume. Greetings to Tony - I read the obits in the DT this morning and I am still here! Nick Campling
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      About 6pm around here from the postbox outside the Co-op.

  5. Livery is LNER Wagon Grey (quite a dark colour - similar to GWR Wagon Grey) Al black below solebars. Transfers - I use HMRS Methfix, but there are others.
  6. Larry The axleboxes on the GC CCT were as supplied by Danny Pinnock. They seem to be different to those used on Micks example. I do not pretend to be an NE expert, so you may well be right.
  7. Mick The period to 1936 would have been G Crown R rather than GVR which was never used. The late fee notice is an actual pre War LNER transfer although I agree that the spacing may have been changed over the years. The lettering was script in Victorian times. Larry My information from Doncaster in about 1965 was that this method was used for the brown, red oxide and wagon grey. The red oxide was quite stable because the main ingredient was red oxide. This was the brown which would have been used on the re branded M&GN stock. In 1975, when David and I sorted out the restoration of the GN 6 wheel brake for the NRM at York, the foreman confirmed the batch mixing method although he only remembered it at the start of his career. He did not like 'amateurs' telling him how to paint a coach, but after we went through the full 13 applications in detail, he laughed and agreed to do it 'as they did'. Incidentally it cost more for the gold leaf than the coach cost originall in 1880! Nick
  8. Mick A couple of answers here. First a photo of the GC CCT in pre '37 livery. Then a couple of TPO transfers (actual) - The reign changes - in your case G X R. Now the question of NPCS Brown. I will try to simplify. Up until 1939 the works mixed their own 'Brown' or 'Teak' paint, each works shade being slightly different. Add to that the fact that batches were made up in galvanised dustbins and paint kettles filled therefrom. Depending on when during a shift (or week) the paint was drawnm, you got s slight vaiation of colour! The mat paint was then varnished which gave another variation depending on the number of coats. The same supposed colour was used on all NPCS stock and all coahes for solebars wheel centres etc. Then in 1938 with the introduction of the LLCK (Extra Long CCT) a new Gloss paint was used which was provided from an outside contractor. This was matched in tins to a sealed pattern and diid not vary at source. The prvenance for this information was from two senior paint shop foreman, one each at Doncaster and York, who had worked up as apprectives in the 20's and 30's. I use precision 'Teak Brown' and still have some old Humbrol HR143. These two shades vary slightly which is quite pleasing. The GNR CCT is in Precision. Hope this help - if only to confuse you further! Nick
  9. Mick I do have a painted example of the GC CCT and will post a picture of it but not until tomorrow - I have got to find it!
  10. Mick Going back to your TPOs. Do not forget that the late fee boxes on both sides of the vehicle would have been post office red during the teak period. The transfers were then applied and I have a set on my workshop wall which came from Doncaster complete with original panel!
  11. Roger Yes it does include the tie bars!
  12. Also remember that ABS did (or do) the LNER 6 plank in 9' and 10' wheelbase, fitted and unfitted. Returning to the 5pl GWR opens, I built a rake of them (painted in the livery of Itters Bricks) in the late 70's using MGW open spoke wheels which went together well, and are still in good order. I do remember a problem with the floor dimensions but it was not insurmountable.
  13. Mick Its a bit difficult to tell, but are the solebars in teak paint like the Gresley Coaches? They appear black, but it may be the footboards. Teak looks good.
  14. I have had a chance to look into my paint records and can confirm that there is a slight difference between Precision (was B25) and Humbrol HR143. The latter is slighly darker and between them they represent the two shades which were used at Doncaster and York respectively. For the rivet counters the Mansell references are Precision 6F7 and Humbrol 7F8. Going back to the research carried out in 1965/6 at the Plant, and later at York, according to the paint shop foremen, the brown finish was employed only on those vehicles which had originally carried a different colour (NER Crimson is an example) or where on a teak vehicle it was too badly stained to be bleached back to its original finish with oxalic acid. This was rare so that most ex GN and ECJS stock remained in teak until BR numbering was imposed i.e. about 1949/50. A good example of this is the GNR full brake in the NRM. When this was discovered it had been painted with a black tar paint for departmental use. York took the job over (1975) and bleached the panels back to their original (1883) condition - the only trouble was that it cost more for the gold leaf used on the lettering, than the vehicle had cost when it was new! This vehicle is probably looking a bit darker now after 34 years in the museum, but is still a good reference point as is the Royal Train brake. Originally the brown paint was mixed to a constituent recipe in dustbins, and therefore, like the wagon colours, was not exactly consistent. The paint was also matt and given one or more coats of varnish. From the late 30's contractor mixed gloss paint was used which was not so hardy but cut down the time in the paint shop. It can be seen therefore that the colours would have varied greatly during the 20's and 30's and since varnish was applied over a matt paint, the varnish darkened with age as well. There is one well known Colour Rail transparency of an A3 with a horsebox behind it in which the horsebox appears to be 'dark chocolate.' I hope this helps a bit! Nick Campling ps There is a funny story about the GN Brake. David Jenkinson and I went to see 'Mac' who was the York paint shop foreman to dicuss the retoration. He was quite gruff and not really happy to be told by a couple of enthusiasts how he should restore a vehicle, but said he would do it however we wanted it. Having gone through with him the thirteen coats of varnish size etc, he suddenly changes his tune, and promised to do the job as it would have been done in the 1890's - and he did.
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