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Rivercider last won the day on January 15 2018

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    The Grecians, Fermented apple juice, the Withered Arm, West Country freight traffic. Local history and researching family history. Coastal shipping.

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  1. I think the relevant Freight Train Marshalling booklet would give instructions for timetabled mainline freight services. It may be that the originating yard has fully fitted traffic, but an intermediate yard has unfitted wagons to attach, in that case a brake van would normally still be provided. It is possible of the originating yard was short of brake vans they might get permission to keep the van if there was no unfitted traffic to attach en-route. Though if the van was required by the terminating yard for a return working it would still have to be sent. If the passing freight train was part of a local trip working then sometimes the trip loco would convey a brake van for the duration of the turn of duty even though some of the work might be with fully fitted vehicles. cheers
  2. Great memories for you there. I remember witnessing a similar incident one day at Bodmin Road, as it was then. A St Blazey allocated class 08 was used to shunt Wenford Bridge, and a brake van was always provided for the guard to ride in regardless that the train was fully fitted. On my visit 08113 appeared off the Bodmin branch running light diesel and set back into the sidings at Bodmin Road, the driver then gave a toot on the whistle. A few moments later the brake van came freewheeling off the branch into Bodmin Road, (it is quite steep down from Bodmin), and stopped in the yard. The 08 then reversed back on top of the van and headed west back to St Blazey. The move was surely not legal, but saved a run-round move, and gave the guard a bit of fun, so I expect this happened often! cheers
  3. When I was small my mum would take me in my pushchair to watch the trains. Our house was within sight of Exmouth Junction shed in Exeter. Our walk would take us to a back alley with a view across the marshalling yard, the yard pilot at the time would have been 30954 (known as Dolly by the local railway staff), though I cannot remember that. I find the sound of shunting trucks very nostalgic as a consequence, we could hear them from home We actually had a distant glimpse of the Salisbury to Exeter line from our little front garden and have a distinct memory of an unrebuilt WC/BB on a west bound freight train. A couple of years later me and my younger brother would spend hours at weekends and school holidays in the playing field a couple of doors down from our house. By then the Waterloo - Exeter services were in the hands of Warships, while D63XXs (class 22s) worked the daily Chard Junction milk trains. Years later I returned to Exeter and walked down the back alley to take another photo. Plymouth DMU set P470 passes Exmouth Junction on a service to Exmouth 15/5/79. In 1967 Western Fuels took over the site of the former concrete works and a couple of the sidings of the former up yard for their CCD (coal concentration depot). Happy Days cheers
  4. I have the 2nd edition Baker Rail Atlas dated 1978. It also shows just the oil terminal on the Chapeltown loop. On the freight only branch there are two scrapyards and Smithywood Coking Plant, also BSC Meadowhall and another scrapyard south of Meadow Hall Junction. The TOPS 1977 location lists gives the following TOPS locations:- 25305 Ecclesfield West BP Oil 25010 TRA (Rotherham Masboro Sidings) 25312 Smithywood Coke Ovens National Smokeless Fuels 25010 TRA 25313 Ecclesfield East Smith W F 25010 TRA cheers
  5. Definitely. With that load there would be an assisting loco front, and two rear, cheers
  6. I have never seen a photo of a Q1 on a ballast train west of Salisbury, but that does not mean they never worked one. One of the trains was 9.25pm from Okehampton to Woking, 12.20am from Exeter Central, so unlikely to often be photographed. Robert Trevelyan in his book Men Machines and Maintenance describes working a turn from Exeter with 30846 in 1962, he says S15s were the favoured loco for the job but WC/BBs were often substituted, he also says the regular load was 10 x 40t hoppers, and there are photos of 10 hopper trains in the book. Pretty much any class of loco could work the stone trains from Meldon to Exeter as it was mostly downhill, he says one day they had an Ivatt 2MT tank for the job with 10 on which was down to walking pace at North Tawton, though N class 2-6-0s were often used and were perfectly adequate for the job. cheers
  7. There are College buildings all around that area, more than there were in the past. Was this building at the end of Queen Street once the headquarters of Western National/Devon General? Looking east past the Clock Tower along Queen Street, Central Station is further along on the left hand side, there is another College building opposite the station. 12/4/2017 Edit - for context the main College building (the tall one visible from St Davids) is behind me over my right shoulder. cheers
  8. The main College building is by the Clock Tower half way between St Davids and Central, there are other College buildings in Queen St, right opposite Central station. The area is very vibrant in term time. Edit - I looked at the College website. The College was set up in 1970 as an amalgamation of various former grammar schools and 6th form colleges. They have 10,000-12,000 students aged 16-18, some from within the city, but 66% travel in from across Devon and the South West. That is at least 6,000 students travelling into the city, no wonder I see so many on the train. cheers
  9. The timetable change in December improved on the original start up service by extending all but one of the day time services through to Exeter Central which will have been a boost. Currently the first arrival in Central is 08.05, then the next at 10.07. Is the service still planned to go hourly from May 2022? From my travels on early morning trains from Weston to or through Exeter I note that there are significant numbers of students from Taunton and Tiverton Parkway travelling to Exeter for the University or College. I would imagine there might be students from Okehampton who will also be using the service now or in the future. cheers
  10. So were they common outside of Scotland? I can perhaps think of one or two locations in the West Country that might fit the description, but not many. cheers
  11. I will put the North Norfolk on the list. Mind you it is a long list! cheers
  12. I believe the Queen Mary brake vans were used, amongst other uses, on the overnight fast freights between London and the West Country. There were three down, 22.15 from Nine Elms, 22.40 Nine Elms and 23.58 Feltham. Also three up trains, left Exmouth Junction at 20.50 to Feltham, 21.45 to Feltham, and 22.45 to Nine Elms. There were other fast freights during the night between Exeter Templecombe and Salisbury. It is therefore possible that up to ten vans could be deployed each night on that route alone, these trains would be rarely photographed if ever. Queen Mary vans would therefore be seen calling in the yard at Templecombe, but I have not seen a photo of one on the S&D, cheers
  13. Welcome to RWmeb. There has been plenty of good advice already. I have several of CJ Freezers track plan books, and read them through many times. You have been wise to use as large a radius of track as possible. Freezer often mentions in his books expanding some of his plans if you have room. It is also a good idea not to attempt to ambitious a project first time out, being able to get this to a completed state will give satisfaction, and you will learn along the way, cheers
  14. I made a few trips to York in the 1980s. On one occasion there were several loaded MGR trains heading south, they all seemed to change locos at York Yard North with Gateshead 56s coming off to work empty sets back north. Was it normal to change locos on MGR trains here? There appear to be five loaded trains in York Yard North, with 56131 on one of them, 18/7/85 cheers
  15. I do remember hearing about the plans for container traffic to/from Falmouth. Possibly my dad (in the WR civil engineers at the time) might have heard some details. I believe the plans included some through roads or sidings on the up side at Truro to hold the trains. Was the plan for pairs of 37s to work to/from Exeter Riverside then loco change to a class 47 for onwards journey? cheers
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