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Preferred her like this: copyright Geoff Dowling on Flickr

Prior to January 1980 the following were dual braked: 27/0: 34, 38, 41 and 42 ex 27/1: all locos (45 to 56 when renumbered) ex 27/2: all locos (57 to 66 when renumbered) between January 1983 and January 1984: 1, 3, 5, 8, 24, 25 and 26 dual braked No more after that. Edit: when the 27s had their heavy general overhauls around 1983-84 the following changed from drop side windows to sliding ones and lost the beading across the plating of the connection doors. 38 and 42 in early 1985 (beading previously removed, water tanks and boilers removed at overhaul) 46, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56 (ex 102, 105 to 112) 59, 63, 66 (ex 205, 209, 212)

I was so close to buying a Rumney Models kit recently.

26/8/21 Mk2B announced 9/6/22 Mk2B livery samples, + 8 months 1 day = 10/2/23 Mk2C announced 20/10/23 Mk2C livery samples .... + 8 months 1 day = 21/4/24 Mk2D announced??????

You may wish to do an early variation of the Mk2C TSO, TSOT, FK and BFK at some point using the Mk2B as a basis. If you want any more information on those or the Mk2B stock please either message me here or chat to Alex as we know each other from the local model railway club.

Just for a comparison: Hornby 50 with Shawplan etches I must do a better job of blending in the Phoenix Precision NSE dark blue.

Links to Paul's photos. The wagon is DE300593 https://zenfolio.page.link/eEDrb https://zenfolio.page.link/1s1Hx

According to the Accurascale website there are only Trans-Pennine TSOs and NSE FKs left.

From what I have seen the vent positions didn't change between any of the Mk2C TSOs, just the style of vent. The positions of the vents on my model were based on the B.R drawing and photographs, measurement of an actual Mk2C would be completely accurate. In addition, I have made the access hatch slightly smaller than those on the Bachmann Mk2F coaches. Thinking about it there is no reason why they should be any different but I originally made it to the Bachmann size and when compared to photos it seemed too wide (in comparison to the door and window positions). Excellent photos are on Flickr from Steve Jones, here is just one taster: Taking the centre of the small centre-line disc as a datum point, the far left end in the photo above, my vent positions are as follows: 23.5mm (near edge in the above photo), 61.5mm (far edge), 91mm (near), 129mm (far), 158.5mm (near), 196.5mm (far) I've re-spaced these to my original Airfix Mk2D to Mk2C conversion which are equi-spaced. The vents are in line with the original vents positions when viewing across the roof width. The circular plate at the nearest end on the roof is around 3 to 3.5mm diameter (it is in fact to thin plates together which is what Accurascale has modelled). The photo above still does not seem to have this plate on the centre-line as far as I can tell and looking at the Accurascale development pictures their plate is also off-centre. Edit: I've found this photo on Flickr which shows the position of this circular plate as being off-centre: Copyright DMC1947 So you now know as much as me folks, happy modelling.🙂 Edit: one thing I've just noticed, M5505 has a Western Region style train description board frame still in place in 1980. The real question is why did it ever have one in the first place as it was never due to go to the Western Region? The British Rail Mk2 Coaches book has a photo of M5498 with one of these frames as well. I guess that nobody had told Derby to stop fitting them.

All the Mk2C variant been taken out of use by August 1993. 6528 ended up with West Coast but none of the others survive. 6510, 6513 and 6523 were scrapped after lying at Dalton, Sinderby and Carnforth respectively. Only in Blue and Grey.

To help out all those that will be wanting a TSOT here is the full list: NSE 6500, 6502, 6522, 6527 small toilets and Roevac vents as per the Accurascale model to come B/G 6504, 6506, 6511, 6520, 6523, 6524, 6525, 6528, 6529 small toilets and Roevac vents as per the Accurascale model to come NSE 6501, 6513 Mk2B toilet windows and GM vents (like EE cab roof vents) B/G 6505, 6516, 6519 Mk2B toilet windows and GM vents (like EE cab roof vents) NSE 6503, 6517 Mk2B toilet windows and G vents (taller version of EE cab roof vents) B/G 6507, 6508, 6509, 6510, 6512, 6514, 6518, 6526 Mk2B toilet windows and G vents (taller version of EE cab roof vents) NSE 6521 Mk2B toilet windows and Roevac vents B/G 6515 Mk2B toilet windows and Roevac vents Obviously all those in NSE originally carried Blue and Grey.

Thanks for the kind comment, and everyone else's appreciation. I'm an idiot, I completely forgot about one of the selling points for these coaches...

So last Friday I decided that I was going to have another set of NSE coaches but this time it would be a full 9 coach Waterloo - Exeter set. Having looked through one of my friend's old spotting books I decided on a rake and then noted which build batch the TSOT came from. For those slightly interested 118 Mk2C TSOs were built, of which the first 64 (5498 to 5561) had the style of toilet windows used in the Mk2, Mk2A and Mk2B builds. The remainder had toilet windows shorter in height so a vent could be placed above on one side, this is the style that Accurascale will be modelling. The TSOT in the rake was 6503, which was originally 5510 so came from the first batch. Time, therefore, to start chomping away at an Accurascale Mk2B TSO to make an early style Mk2C TSOT. First of all the roof vents were removed and 5 thou sheet used to make the access hatch on the roof. The breather pipe at that end was also moved about 2mm to fit in the new hatch. There is also an additional circular plate at that end, which is just off the centre line (see later post on next page). The earliest Mk2C TSOs had two different style of roof vents before Roevac vents were finally decided upon, which were subsequently used on the air-conditioned Mk2 stock and the loco hauled Mk3 stock. The first vent style used is described in British Rail Mark 2 Coaches as a 'G' vent, the next vent tried being a 'GM' vent. I assume these were G modified as they were very similar to a 'G' vent but shorter in height. Now a GM vent is near enough the same as an English Electric loco cab roof vent so I made up six of these (from Shawplan) and then added 20 thou to increase the height, in order to simulate G vents. Most sane people probably wouldn't even care. These were then added to the roof and left to dry. I then turned to the interior and cut out one bay of seats and added a counter. The roof was then primered, Archer's rivets were added to the edges of the roof hatch and then primered again. The small handles on the hatch were easier than expected (when a brand new drill bit is used). The screen between the counter area and the seating was made and painted and the rest of the interior also painted. I could have smoothed things up a bit but more on that later. So all the basic work had been done. A blast with Halfords matt black sorted the roof, a blanking screen for the window behind the counter and a strip stating Buffet for the window opposite, followed by a red stripe and a quick renumber and we have the below: As for tidying up the interior wall before painting, you can't even see the counter let alone what the wall looks like! All in all it took just under a week and I'm very happy with the result. Oh, and I've just straightened that footstep shown in the last photo. Now, should it really be in this thread or the Mk2C one?

Sorry to Iain for not mentioning the following on completing my build. The Guard's door opens inwards so there shouldn't be any hinges visible for it.

It's your layout! Rule 1.