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yeadons in a searchable pdf please. I need a 51a J39 from 1954-1964, preferably 1954-62, and all this text is going in but hitting the back of the inside of my cranium with a dull thud and dissapearing down my spine and out of my backside into the ether again. It appears I can neither read or comprehend this morning. Time for a brew.
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Doug: of course. If I'm going to wear a hair shirt then of course its P4
David, aye snapshot was a bit pot luck. Mark that was my next thought, making it an extra easy livery to do too. Unfortunately the Yeadons version of its record card says it enjoyed nice holidays north to Cowlairs for its workshop time 
Paul, a Middleton excusion had crossed my mind (a j39 did work the last passenger train from Bishop Auckland to Middleton) but I'm wondering if West Auckland shed served Shil... -
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passed: "Fit to work, pending D&A results". ?#?movingonwards? one small step..........
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Ironic? The good lady of the house is in theatre having her knee overhauled.... I'm at home preparing to take a dremel to a 4mt chassis. Hopefully I'm the only brutal surgeon today.
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Modelling NER coal drops
Steve Taylor replied to south_tyne's topic in Scenery, Structures & Transport
South Tyne , are you modelling a "location" local to you? If northern division is your thing then yes look at Ernie's pics of Hexham. Also look for Morpeth on Flickr. The Annfield Plain set (?) at Beamish would fall into this category too and should supply a lot of info about rail and decking choices. If you are happy with a central division style then drop me a pm and I'll have a go at extracting pdfs from the turbo cad files to give you plan, elevation and x-sections for enoguh detail to repeat to the size of installation you want. I've just come back from visiting the folks back up in the old country and took the oportunity to walk off tea with a couple of walks (tape measure, camera and notebook at the ready). I've corrected some of the details in my earlier post btw and thank you for the kind words: Broomielaw was meant to be a quick and brutal intro to P4 and has expanded into a major research exercise - there was so little there that what was there had to be as right as possible as there's little else to mask a void or shortcut.
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after an awful morning at the end of an awful two years - a ray of sunshine. New career beckons, job offer made! Coooooooool.
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ooh is this....... a conflict of interest? Layout opps training day: I'm doing both box and driving, I'm doing allright, I'm enjoying both. My inner ancestor says go maintain something or throw levers about, but..................don't drive. Bbbbbbut I can do a scale 2mph whats not to like?
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3-layer laminate motion assembly is a tin ybit tedious
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Moving up on second place, behind Nicolas Van Whatsisface, 6 foot 6 and a 100 tons, the undispute king of the slums, more aliases than Klaus Barbie the master butcher of Leigh-on-Sea, just about to take the stage: the one and only - hold the front page.
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Modelling NER coal drops
Steve Taylor replied to south_tyne's topic in Scenery, Structures & Transport
If you are thinking about scratchbuilding, my examination of photos and remains of central division drops gives some details that might be of use. Rail was conventional bullhead mounted in 4-bolt NER chairs (Exactoscale/C+L midland would do) bolted to 14" square profile (nominal dimension) timber waybeams. The chairs were outside keyed along the way beams for some reason. Way beams were supported by stone work forming walls and partitions 20" thick. The edges of the partitions are in dressed stone 1'-0" tall, with a face sloping back 1" for every 12" of height. The cells themselves are 10'-0" wide. On my prototype example, I have through examination of type drawings of other utility structures determined that the decking was most likely supported by 4"x4" intermediate crossbeams (probably recess jointed into the outer face beams -9"x4") and was formed from 11"x3" planks. laid flush with the way beams. Its most likely that the chairs were spaced at 2'0" intervals with iron/steel plates between them protecting/reinforcing the waybeam top against the falling coal and moisture collecting dust. This is based on cells on the former Stockton & Darlington Rly or NER Central Division route from Darlington to Barnard Castle and on into the Stainmore route. As well as the 6"x24" steel plate between the chairs on top of the beams there were also tie bars between the way beams at each end and one in the middle, as well as another vertical bashplate approx 99" long on the inner face of each beam. Waybeams span two cells each. As far as wingwall/abutments go, rough dressed local stone with caps 18" deep x 5" high by varying length. Have a look on the cumbrian railways website for pictures of Gaisgill drops. This was a set with an approach slope, Broomielaw (my prototype) was a partial slope due to the track gradient, and Appleby and Lartington were at running line height working with the contour of the surrounding ground. Btw - the covered lime cells would only be in areas requiring lime to be brought in, so country with limestone and/or kilns close by would not have them. Personally if you aren't following a prototype I'd design drops below running rail height in order ot make track laying uniform and much easier. Ramps will need transitions and a lot of room. A set of drops like those on the Esk Valley line that is adjacent to a convenient under bridge would be easiest. Steve -
today.... I shall mostly be wrestling with a brassmasters pony truck.
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Shame - I was hoping to crib. I've a number of airfix 4mt kits and a couple of different chassis kits. Glancing through the RCTS, I was thinking I could utilise these with a suitable amount of abuse to make a 3mt. The hard part is getting the correct wheels it seems. I'm looking at 5'3" tyres onto pared down 17 spoke 5'6" wheel centres as a possibilty atm but was hoping you'd found an easier workround. I don't suppose your drawings have any dimensions for the boiler, smokebox and firebox? From the RCTS it looks like slimming down by about 1mm overall to get it close, but I've not got a smokebox dimension at all. Cheers Steve
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at a quick glance I'm seeing no mention, but did this go any further?
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oddly, the modelbench toolkit is seeing more use in household diy than anything else currently.
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Balsa can rescue sanity. Progress restored. Bad, evil mdf consigned to a dark corner for now.
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Drawing proceeding slowly. Anyone recomend a good way to cut out "blanks" from 8mm mdf?
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Whitby & East Cleveland
Steve Taylor replied to Derekstuart's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
RE: Whitby no.20 signal..... I might be wrong (I'm ducking and waiting for the whistle of incoming) but aren't the two arms shorter than the main platform starter (28) which is further away, suggesting these short arms are for shunt moves for clearing platform one? I've a vague memory that Whitby was incoming services on P1 and outbound on P2. Given the proximity in the frame of these signals (20 - mid stroke, one lever covering two signals) and 19 (FPL, 18b) , 18 (Crossover road) and 17 (FPL 18a) it seems plausible? Now I'm off to hide as Beast, MickNich or Grovenor arrive to put me back in my box. -
The Prologue. Aka. a prolonged gestation.
Steve Taylor commented on Steve Taylor's blog entry in Alight here for Broomielaw
Standing by to make the first practical steps. Yesterday marked the fiftieth anniversary of the last commercial passenger service to pass both Broomielaw station and the signal box nameboard that now hangs over my staircase. By coincidence, that morning I had completed the first set of structure drawings for any part of the scheme and was checking details which threw up the E.o.S. date. Since the board was given to me coincidentally on the fiftieth anniversary of Stainmore's closure, I can only hope that this second coincidence marks the end of my recent employment woes and better times are ahead all round. Now to find out how to tie this entry to others and create a blog structure. -
Whitby & East Cleveland
Steve Taylor replied to Derekstuart's topic in Modelling Questions, Help and Tips
If C&L chairs behave like Exactoscale's equivalents .... then a slight scalloping in of the rail foot with a file to take the edge off will suffice, then feed them on with a lateral twist to engage one side of the jaw slightly ahead of the other and you will be fine. -
re.... earlier Oh I think you should at least plan the ambition. My own project based on Broomielaw is much simpler than Whitby, but scales out at about the same. And as it's P4, I know exactly where you are at. Never has plan twice, measure thrice, cut once seemed more appropriate? I'm doing prototype gradients too. As an aside my late grandad was area telecoms superintendent covering Whitby and fondly recalled the box as one of his favourites. If truth be told (probably) as a Dale's lad the moors were too alike to home to be ignored - anyway he had a soft spot for that part of the world though oddly never answered the call of the NYMR, despite John Boyes' questions. I'd thought myself of doing Prospect Hill but got caught up in a National Service era Stainmore saga. If you fancy PH as a tester layout it is very do-able being largely straight. It sounded as though you had the space anyway. Advice? Err TEMPLOT Not only does it make templates but in the design and research process you learn so much too: get yourself a copy of the PW engineers handbook for track deign and the S&T equivalent for "plumbing in" the signalling. If I get some peace tomorrow, I'll investigate the storage dept. and see if the Larpool drawings are a figment of my deteriorating memory or something more useful. PS. I have, over the last few years, been involved with the GCR. The 60' turntable they installed at Quorn (Ex-York) had outrigger assemblies not visually dissimilar to that seen at Whitby adjoining the carriage sidings.
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I assume you have a copy of Ken Hoole's North-Eastern Branch Line Termini? BTW, if its helpful, I may have a copy of the scale elevations for Larpool Viaduct tucked away if you are proceeding that far from west.
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Today I have finished the first structure drawings for my model of Broomielaw. Starting simply I've reconstructed the coal drops in CAD. By complete coincedence, fifty years ago today, the original 1':12" version saw its last passenger service.
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The Prologue. Aka. a prolonged gestation.
Steve Taylor commented on Steve Taylor's blog entry in Alight here for Broomielaw
Ray, Nunthorpe was on my Grandad's patch, though betime I was interested in signal boxes and NER architecture, he'd been retired too long to risk going in. He was posted to Middlesborough duing the war and attended the aftermath of the bombing of the station (having to scuttle through the underpass with a V1 pony truck hanging there still). He used to show me loads of boxes and sites round Middlesborough, all names of boxes largely now forgotten. The A66, I know it well. Even having left twenty years myself I still know the road very well and always make a visit if I can. Up on Bowes moor always feels comfortable, Thats my sort of country even if largely when looked at closely its a bit drab. Yup it was Ken Hoole's book that first raised my interest in Stainmore many years ago when I had the book on almost permanent loan from Darlington town library. The Peter Walton book is also very useful too. Its a shame in many ways though that repro back then was so awfull. It'd be great to have a clear version of some of the pics. Hey, ho. My regards to Nunthorpe and a wave to the remains of Bowes from me next time you pass. Cheers Steve -
So what size are yours - flagstones?
Steve Taylor commented on Silver Sidelines's blog entry in Sixties Snapshots - 00 scale
The NERA reprint of the NER standards book of 1908/9 details platform copings (edge stones to us plebs) as being 3'0" wide by 4'0" long and 6" deep at the outer edge and 6 3/4" deep at the inner edge. These key together by means of a shallow point at one end and corresponding reccess at the other (approx 1") and are described as a cement cope (2.5:1 PC concrete, and "the surface to be stamped or checkered to roughen it in approved pattern"). It further details these as the outer edge being 2'3" from centre of the railhead and the top of the slab being 5'0" above it. additionally any over hang of these slabs should be 1'0" making the platform face 3'3" from railhead. My site measurements from Broomielaw showed edge slabs measuring 30"W x42"L x 5"D (outer edge). These were perfectly rectangular concrete slabs replacing the original sandstone edging and overhanging only by as much as the radius of the curved edge of the slab. The main circulating area was indeed a tarred surface of some sort while the less used western end was left bare ash until closure. There was a slight slope to help move water off the platform onto the cess but its on a drawing somewhere not readily to hand. Hope that slightly OCD effort helps and thanks for the decent sized Barnard Castle pic. Steve
