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  1. Yes, am working on it as we speak. No doubt it will be done just before an updated RTR version appears! But this one is mine
  2. Nicely done lettering, must have been challenging. It will be good to see a build of the 2021 kit. It's nice to see it back on the market.
  3. Simon, you'll be needing Paul Trotwood's books on "GWR Filing Cabinet Liveries". Sold out, but Vol 4 is on ebay at £100. Sadly he doesn't cover the interiors, which is a real disappointment.
  4. Perhaps the diagram no. was transferred? I really must add the HMRS book on siphons to my library.
  5. That clarifies an issue I've had with Russell's GWR coaches vol 1. His diagram of the 4-wheeler shows it as diagram O1! Confusingly, the GWSG list of corrections to Russell's books does not correct that error, but does state that a subsequent photo of a 6-wheeler is "Diagram O1 (the K's kit)". Nice to get that sorted out. PS: It leaves the 4-wheeler without a diagram no., perhaps it never got one.
  6. Very useful to see these built up Duncan. That last one doesn't correspond to the K's kit though, which is a two-door design. Seen here at Farthing: Exactly what diagram the K's kit represents is a little vague. It's often said to be O2 but that had single arc roof. I've been discussing this with @BWsTrains who may also be interested in your photos of the Diagram 3D kits above.
  7. I watched that three times just for the pleasure of it! Clearly something special is in the making here. Again. I look forward to seeing it develop.
  8. Many thanks Mike. After seeing Dana's saddle tank double-act I'm beginning to regret I didn't do a second ST version instead. Two saddle tanks together looks very good. But that's too late now, always onwards.
  9. Ha, I like that. No nonsense. Here's a more romantic view, also appealing I think. The Bayswater Omnibus. George William Joy, 1895. Source: Wikipedia.
  10. Looks well on the way. Do you have a cradle of some sort for the coach when working on the sides? I have been thinking of making one from foam or similar.
  11. Chris, regarding Siphon O2 and others, have you seen this body kit: https://www.diagram3d.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=109 I have not tried them.
  12. Nice find. That goes in the archives. In Kelley's main volume there is a photo of "Galloper", a spacious omnibus allegedly designed by Brunel when he travelled with officials. Let's hope it ran better than his locomotives That is good stuff. I like this bit from the Liverpool Street poem:
  13. The London omnibuses are so tempting to model. These two photos also relate to the discussion of headwear. Note the former vehicle marked "The London Bridge Railways", and in the second, the driver with bowler and blanket. Source: Getty images. Embedding permitted. Source: Getty images. Embedding permitted. I'm tempted to do a (less extravagant) model of one of these for the roads at Farthing. These types of services don't seem to have been exclusive to the largest towns, see. e.g.: https://www.postcardsthenandnow.com/2011/11/broadwater-near-worthing-sussex-c1913.html Aha! Many thanks Nick. That fits the theory then. I had been wondering what the thickening at the top was for. Here's a crop from a photo of another vehicle with the same arrangement: I was going to indicate it on the model but forgot. Looks like a bit more detailing can be done when I sort out the lettering, i.e. that and the wheel hubs. Thanks.
  14. You can't fool me. The Cambrian six wheel third has been left off the updated list. So it's worse than it looks Only joking. Things may not be finished but I remember progress on other coaches, the 645, figures, design of the station area, work on the platforms, the station building etc. In any case, the station is looking excellent. Is the other side easier in terms of windows etc?
  15. Thanks Chris. A Cambrian station bus, yes please! A standing driver would work well for the forecourt cameo I have in mind. Regarding drivers more generally: Over the years I've being looking out for 4mm scale drivers to man my horse drawn vehicles. The three below illustrate the problems, left to right: Too rough, too large, or too straight-backed. The latter is the best and I've modified one or two of them for goods cartage work - but his pose looks odd on the station bus. So yes, modification of Andrew Stadden or ModelU figures is probably the way to go. Many thanks Duncan. Let me know if I can help with drawings/photos. I have to say the privately operated buses have a lot charm. You could even devise your own and have some fun on the way. Take for example Edwin Potter's bus which operated from Market Lavington to Devizes: https://marketlavingtonmuseum.wordpress.com/2010/07/22/edwin-potter’s-bus/
  16. Here's an earlier attempt at a Farthing horsepower classification system . All figures are Dart Castings. I have used and modified the 1:87 one for other vehicles, as the larger ones can be visually overpowering. On the subject of omnibus horses, we may turn to chapter 1 in W.J. Gordon's "The Horse World of London" which deals with omnibus nags. It's an amusing read, e.g.: "Most of these mares are English, some of them are Irish, only a few of them are foreign - that is, according to the dealer, if he can be trusted in his verbal guarantee of nationality. [...] Let us be off to some typical yard to see how these horses live and how they are cared for; and let the yard be one of the newest, say, that at Chelverton Road. Here are the 375 horses working the 'white bus' line from Putney to Liverpool Street. The white 'buses are well known for their trimness. Their colour precludes their being carelessly looked after, but they are no better kept than the others. Like the rest, they are cleaned and overhauled every morning, their locks looked to, their tires examined, their wheels tapped, just as if they were railway carriages, the minor repairs being done on the spot, the more serious being executed at Highbury. Each of these omnibuses has its driver, its conductor, and its stud of ten or eleven horses, the eleven being required when the vehicle does its four full trips and a short one in a day. The full trip averages three hours and a half, and the day's work thus employs eight horses, giving each pair in turn a day's rest, but the extra short trip means an extra horse and a different system of relief, which we can deal with later on. The horses are of all colours, bay, roan, brown, chestnut, grey, and that most promising of all colours, flea-bitten grey, which is seldom worn by a bad horse. All over the country, at the fairs and the provincial stables, buyers are at work for the company, picking out the peculiar class of horse which will best bear the constant stopping and starting of the London omnibus traffic. When an omnibus is full it weighs three and a quarter tons, a considerable weight for a pair to start. Think of it, ye exigent women, who rather than walk a yard will stop an omnibus twice in a minute; the sudden stopping and starting, so often unnecessary, taking more out of a horse than an hour's steady tramp on the level, and being the chief cause of the London horse's poor expectation of life." Etc. The rest is here: https://www.victorianlondon.org/publications6/horse-01.htm
  17. Thank you Kit. A lap cover is a good idea for a figure conversion. Several photos also show omnibus drivers with bowlers - even on GWR vehicles, see for example this photo: https://dartmoorexplorations.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/7-c-1-1536x1006.jpg I have bene wondering whether such photos are misleading though, i.e. they could be staged and showing a customer holding the reins for the sake of the photo. For example, I wonder who is the actual driver in this photo: https://photographs.museumofcornishlife.co.uk/Search/Detail/1273/?referrer=%2FThemes%2F%3FTransport
  18. Thanks Phil. That two-horse version sounds fascinating. The few photos in Kelley's volumes are either ex-works, or taken by the GWR at a time when the vehicles were phased out and the company was considering whether to preserve some of them (sadly I don't think they did). So there are not - as far as I can see - all that many known photos showing GWR labelled horse-drawn omnibuses in actual everyday service. Finding them will probably require browsing through local photo collections to see if a GWR vehicle happens to have been captured, as in your case. Regarding liveries, photos suggest quite a variety of different fonts and positions around the turn of the century, including some seemingly experimental styles that I haven't seen before. The WD kits are excellent. I have a couple of the lorries stashed away for a "some day" 1919 layout, as the GWR bought some of them after WW1. Thanks Mike, the Jenkins book does sound good. A new challenge for your 3D printer? I had forgotten that you built the Scale Link version also. As you say both kits seem to have their drawbacks. One thing neither seems to have incorporated is the extra sloping seat for the driver. This can be seen on some other omnibuses too. Perhaps it allows a semi-standing position so as not to be pulled forward and lose control if the horse does unexpected things?
  19. That's not eye-catching. This is eye-catching: Postcard posted in 1906. Location not clear, but seems to be Seaton. Vehicle quite similar to the one discussed here, but not identical and not GWR. Source: http://www.gail-thornton.co.uk/public-vehicles/omnibus.php Or did you mean the 4mm luggage? The trunk and suitcases are painted Dart Castings items (ref L109). The bigger wicker baskets are Hornby, the smaller ones Piko. More about the baskets in this post:
  20. Thanks Dave. Yes the plan is to do a cameo in the station forecourt, á la the postcards above with passengers and drivers milling about. Station buses weren't just a rural thing. Although many were operated to connect outlying stations with nearby stations/villages/hotels, some companies also operated services in the big cities. The LNWR had some very stylish London services (apart from the one below there are photos of LNWR omnibuses branded Euston-Waterloo and Euston-Charing Cross). Caption: Horse bus with solid rubber tyres, Cardington Street, Euston, London, 14 September 1904. The London & North Western Railway horse-drawn bus was used to carry passengers to and from the station. Source: Getty images, embedding permitted. Thank you Nick. I look forward to seeing your build. Good point about the metal centers, they don't feature in the kit but really should be there, as can be seen in this crop of the prototype photo: I think it would require quite a bit of work to the wheel centers to produce this, so it may be too late in this case. But thanks for pointing it out. I must pay more attention to wheels. I do have some nice wheels made by Chris, but they did not fit here.
  21. Thank you Mike. Perhaps the designer was looking for a way to avoid the joins showing too clearly. Incidentally, there's a superb large scale model of this vehicle: Hotlink to photo of the model: http://www.guildofmodelwheelwrights.org/GOMW_vehicles_files/GWR.jpg From this page of wonders: http://www.guildofmodelwheelwrights.org/GOMW_vehicles.htm Ironically the livery on that model is fictional and some details are wrong (e.g. the small windows at the front should not be "framed"). I think the builder has worked from the drawings and not seen the prototype photo. Extraordinary craftmanship though. Many thanks Ian. One of those "quick builds" that ended up becoming more involved. It learnt a bit about horse-drawn omnibuses on the way, or rather I scratched the surface a bit! Thanks Grahame, I hadn't heard that one before. Will put it on the list of possible options. But the challenge is that the horses and vehicles are separate, and are stored as such when they aren't being used. It would be easier if they were joined and made up one rigid item. The reins could then be fixed permanently. That requires a seriously strong join between horse and shafts though, and again between shafts and the main vehicle.
  22. Thanks Pete. Regarding holes for the fumes, the extent to which superglue frosts glazing seems to depend a lot on the particular products in question. I use Loctite Gel a lot, and it doesn't seem to affect the glazing I use that much (can't remember the name of the glazing, it's a German product which is very good and I'm running out of it - uh oh). So the holes may or may not have made a difference. (Or both, I wonder what Schrödinger would have said ). Many thanks Chris. I think you'd like some of the earlier GWR omnibuses even more, some of them had that distinctively Victorian stage coach look of your period. Thanks Miss P. Yes I believe so. Despite the corner assembly method, the basic components of the kit aren't that bad really for an ageing low cost kit. I wonder when it was originally made.
  23. I’ve built a GWR horse-drawn station bus using a modified and detailed P&D Marsh kit. A colourized postcard showing omnibuses in the station forecourt at Minehead. A perusal of period photos suggests that the outside seating wasn’t necessarily the last choice option – on sunny days at least! The forecourt at Teignmouth. Lettering on the door shows the fare and “A. Harvey (?), Proprietor”. Many horse-drawn station bus services were operated by individual entrepreneurs, nearby fashionable hotels, or local agents for the railway companies. Actual GWR-owned station buses certainly existed but were, I suspect, a minority. Old and new at Helston. The GWR’s first motor-driven road service was introduced at Helston in 1903, signalling the beginning of the end for horsedrawn omnibuses. The horse-drawn bus on the right served a local hotel. Phillip Kelley’s two volumes on GWR road vehicles feature a small but useful selection of photo and drawings of GWR horsedrawn buses. Online, a couple of rather interesting GWR omnibuses can be found here (scroll down). An agent-operated GWR service can be seen on the Fairford pages here. For non-GWR omnibuses, Gail Thornton’s website is interesting. The P&D Marsh kit is a fairly simple affair but does represent an actual prototype built by the GWR in 1894. There's a Swindon drawing of it in Kelley’s “Great Western Road Vehicles Appendix”. Towards the end of the build I realised that I had overlooked an actual photo of the vehicle in Kelley’s main volume (“Great Western Road Vehicles” p.29). Assembly of the body leaves you with somewhat unsightly corners, as Mike also commented in his build back in 2013. Repeated applications of filler and sanding helped, followed by primer. The basic components result in a reasonable overall representation of the original vehicle. Bringing it to this stage was a fairly quick exercise, but I decided to add some detailing. First step was some simple seating and glazing. The interior may or may not have been more lavish, but with the roof on very little is visible. The kit’s roof casting is rather thick and does not reflect the pattern on the prototype. A replacement was made by laminating two layers of thin styrene, the top layer being a grid pattern drawn up in Inkscape and printed on my Silhouette. This was fixed with superglue, with temporary holes to allow the fumes to escape so they don’t frost the glazing. Luggage rails were fitted using 0.5 mm straight brass wire. Later I removed the front rail, as I discovered that the prototype didn’t have it. Same thing can be seen on some other omnibuses. Forward-sliding luggage not a problem on slow-breaking vehicles? The drawing and photo show what initially looks like a ladder at the rear. Closer inspection shows it to be three vertical rails with no apparent rungs. My best guess is that they are guard-/guiderails for raising and lowering heavy luggage to and from the roof without damaging the sides. Unless anyone knows better? Anyway, I fitted them using more brass wire. Also seen is the rear passenger step. The one provided in the kit is rather crude and doesn't match the drawing, so I made a simple replacement. The step could be folded down and away for stowage during transport. Discovery of the prototype photo led to some unpleasant surprises. I had overlooked horisontal bolections along the sides and ends, so they were retrofitted using thin wire. There are also what looks like ventilation louvres above the windows (or rainstrips?), these were indicated using thin strips of styrene. I fashioned a pair of coach lamps using old loco lamps from the scrap box, fitted with bits from my tin of watchmakers’ spares. No particular prototype, just a nod to a certain type seen in some photos. Lettering and insignia will have to wait. The prototype photo shows the vehicle in factory finish in 1894, with sans-serif “Great Western Railway” below the windows in quite a small font size (smaller than on goods cartage vehicles), and a simplified garter behind the wheels. My printer can’t do such small lettering to a satisfying standard, so I’ll leave it unlettered until I find one that can. The bus will be parked in the station forecourt at Farthing, with passengers outside. So I decided to add some luggage. The prototype photo shows leather straps (or similar) fitted to the luggage rails, so I painted some thin masking tape to imitate this. I'm not sure about the principles for how luggage was packed on omnibus rooves. Photos suggest pragmatic solutions. I replaced the horse in the kit. I first painted up the mare on the left, but decided it was more of a goods type. So an exchange was made with the pretentious type on the right. Both are from Dart Castings. I normally go with matt varnish for my horse-drawn vehicles, but couldn't resist a satin finish in this case. I'm pondering my choice of driver. Current offerings aren't that good, so will probably modify a seated passenger. No reins, too impractical with my current layout arrangements. So that's yet another horse-drawn vehicle for Farthing. Good thing I've got a big stable block There are plans afoot for an early motor bus, but that's another story.
  24. Very stylish, those embellishments make a big difference.
  25. I hope you'll consider the neighbours when parking it The Open has come out well, I like the weathering and look of the interior.
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