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    Hi Chris,

    I've only just read your fascinating post, hence this rather late contribution, but is it possible that the modified high ended carriage shown was in use for passenger luggage?  From my own limited experience of researching official minutes, they can more often than not be cryptically brief, stating the minimum of facts about a decision without further explanation or detail.  Based on that ambiguity, looking at the print I can that there is very little roof luggage shown on the roof of the covered carriages immediately to the rear, and while there appear to be 2 people standing against the leading partition (brakesmen/guards?), there don't appear to be any seated passengers depicted in the coach itself.  It is also washed in dark body colour, compared to the lighter unaltered 3rd class open coaches in front, which clearly show passengers in them?  While there was room under seats for small luggage, the heavy portmanteaus, trunks and hat boxes of the wealthier long distance traveller would need to be carried on the roof, and perhaps this less than satisfactory solution was being addressed by this early modification of surplus stock?  No claims for expertise here, and thanks for sharing such an interesting print and project. Matt

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    CJM

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    Love this photo.  One comment: are you modelling the 1980s?  Odeon's brand from 1930 to at least the late 1980s was based around the red font.  I always assumed this was because they had used neon tubing to pick out the iconic "ODEON" external signs, because when neon lights were first commercially available in the late 1920s, they were only available in the colour red (others will correct me if I'm wrong!).  The blue rebranding occurred more recently, probably in the 1990s.  Here is a link to a photo of the Odeon Leicester Square in 1987:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/oldcinemaphotos/2396167152/in/photolist-4DJZ1L-4DJY2j-22XchBz-2hrvHwQ-8eWBB3-5uWDjy-77c9oh-2odPjCh-Sbiirv-cXyTk-v5cLJ-2noCmHd-7s9zK8-6CUfeZ-o8CYZq-4kmWQz-2khQrjW-4DEE62-FMpVvL-4kqYqE-7tg4fL-2gS8k3-qSqdi3-2msxh1k-qjFzGY-7L2qSN-Dco8J7-2c2EwGw-6ygDzw-8yoCah-7xzp1-ajAaPn-Ns7xu9-5LSiAn-8DgqH3-86PxPk-6HZcRa-6yEcEy-eT2Nv-5pz1E5-4kqYpE-7P5xUa-Cxprps-6MrXBN-ky2Nk-54Y8fx-9ktRZ1-4vnhDX-7irmDH-nbaTf8 

    It's modeller's rule number 1 of course, so doesn't detract from a very absorbing and atmospheric scene.  All best. Matt

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    Mikkel

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    Hi Mikkel,

     

    A very interesting post.  You create a totally absorbing sense of time and place.

     

    One thing, and I know how much of a detail man you are so you'll probably appreciate this/go bonkers trying to figure it out, but of course horses produce an imprint on their environment.  Have you considered that the ground around the tracks would likely be marked and rutted with shunting and delivery horse hoof prints?  Take a walk around the periphery of a stable block and you will find (depending on the time of day) manure/straw/bedding and dubious stains in various corners and crevices too!

     

    Also, may I heartily congratulate you on your sense of colour scale and tone.  So important to get this right.  It's an art.

     

    From my neck of the woods, I attach a scan for your interest of a photo of Mr Arthur Challis, coal and coke merchant, with his horse and coal delivery cart.  Most probably taken in Alexandra Road, Wimbledon in 1905, which is the year his business was established.  He was successful enough to be ordering a brand new coal wagon "No.20" from Charles Roberts in 1931.   In the background is a poster with the letters "PSA", which was the "Pleasant Sunday Afternoon" Society, a semi-religious movement set up to encourage men not to spend their Sunday afternoon in the pub.

     

    All best,


    Matt

     

     

    CHALLIS photograph of coal cart horse and merchant Wimbledon c1905 720dpi.pdf

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    Mikkel

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    Hi Mikkel,

    Long time since I last commented, but I was researching railway accidents (as you do) and came across this leaflet: https://www.railwaymuseum.org.uk/sites/default/files/2018-04/the-safety-movement-1914-LOW.pdf?_ga=2.60822444.1812258583.1594485049-478566534.1594485049 which instantly made me think of your fantastic "posed" dioramas.  This is kind of life imitating art, with a bit of time travel thrown in!  If you've already seen it, then this is just by way of a hello and happy modelling anyway! Best, Matt

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    Mikkel

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    Hi Mikkel,

     

    Fascinating reading.  Thanks for sharing. There's a book in there somewhere!

     

    Have you seen the Historic England (formerly English Heritage) book on Goods Sheds btw?  Available as a real book, but digital link is here: https://content.historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/railway-goods-shed-and-warehouse-in-england/the-railway-goods-shed-and-warehouse.pdf/ 

     

    Not GWR, or indeed railway, but a stable link which you might also find interesting, a Victorian municipal stable which survived intact and was recorded in detail: http://brentfordandchiswicklhs.org.uk/local-history/buildings/chiswicks-municipal-stables/ 

     

    All best, 

     

    Matt

    Mikkel

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    Hi Mikkel,

    Happy new year to you!

    Impressive work as always, but as I know you like a bit of observation I'll say this...

    What Bill Bedford refers to is known as "stop chamfering" and it's one of those classic "little" details that omitted can make all the difference, and as you went to pains to reproduce it on the underside of the van body's bottom rail, I wish you had "seen" it elsewhere as in my view it produces a distinctive architectural character and level of refinement to the van frame.  It produces the effect of shadow and detail as well as giving the illusion of more slender components. 

    Whether it was also considered by the makers as an equally practical exercise to reduce the risk of splintering, I'm guessing a bit of both.

    On a micro detail note, looking at the reference photo, I would say that the bottom rail had a sloped top as well as being stop chamfered, as an attempt to discourage capillary action of standing water.

    Now having said all that, would you end up with a massacred pile of styrene shavings it you had tried the whole frame?!

    You have the bridge commander!

    All best, and getting coat,

     

    Matt

    Mikkel

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    Mikkel,

     

    fabulous post!

     

    You reminded me of an small episode in my life: When I used to live by Brockwell Park in S London, there was a crow we called "Brring", as it had a specific call (different to all the others) that sounded like an old telephone...think opening dialogue track to "Get Carter". Several years later and I was standing on Vauxhall Station (3 miles away), and heard the familiar "BRRRING" call, there on the top of the lamppost was what I can only assume was our old friend. I was waiting for a steam excursion at the time! Brought a smile to my face.

     

    Now do you want me to start giving you feedback on your patent glazing weathering details?!

     

    Huge enjoyment from your posting!

     

    All best,

     

    Matt

    Mikkel

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    Hi Mikkel,

     

    Great to see you doing some L&SWR modelling!

     

    Your eye for detail is as always appreciated.

     

    Mr Geen has made some great kits and is much appreciated by me, but if you are looking for the definitive diagram 1410 kit, then you should consider Mr Martin Finney:

     

    http://website.lineone.net/~cbwesson/4mm%20LSWR%20Van%20Kits.htm

     

    http://website.lineone.net/~cbwesson/ (home page if above link faulty)

     

    All the best, and looking forward to the next instalment as ever.

     

    Kind regards,

     

    Matthew

    Mikkel

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    Hi Mikkel,

     

    Impressive improvisation as always sir...

     

    Just one technical comment, to stop accidental racking, as you have no bracing other than the panels, would 4 simple corner frame stiffeners not be a simple solution?

     

    And will this traverser be operated by an immaculately detailed set of 4mm Edwardian navvies? :-D

     

    Best wishes

     

    Matt

    bcnPete

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    Hi Pete,

     

    Just wanted to say that I've enjoyed the blog so far, great conceptual work ups, almost as much fun as the model itself no doubt will be.

     

    I have to guess that you work in architecture? Looks all too familiar :-)

     

    For what it's worth, on the subject of exhibiting/framing/viewing a layout, which you have been considering in depth, is it perhaps the case that the idea of a secondary display can sometimes be a bit of a distraction from the model itself?

     

    Looking forward to the next posting.

     

    Best regards,

     

    Matt

    grahame

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    Hi Graham,

     

    My comments would be that the way you view and frame the layout is a key thing, i.e. if it is an exhibition layout, then creating a proscenium - narrowing the field of vision -might help to improve the illusion of depth, by controlling the perspective, focusing the eye on the trains, whilst at the same time making best use of the vertical skyscrapers but not actually needing to model the tops!

     

    I hope that makes sense! Can anyone tell I'm an architect?!

     

    See Catcott Burtle and Much Meddling for egs, albeit in a rural setting.

     

    Regards,

     

    Matt

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