highpeakman

These photos were taken on the same trip to Crewe as above. I must have been interested in the "New Order". Can't believe that I saw and took a picture of only one Semi that day! They have not be cleaned up in any respect so please forgive the quality. I offer them in case there is something in them that will help to date the set. Thanks everyone for your interest and help.

Thanks. I had noticed that but don't have enough detailed knowledge to make anything of it. Perhaps someone else can help? As I said before, my own memory of that trip has largely gone away so I can't remember if the locos were still working to the south or not.

Your knowledge far exceeds my own and I happily accept what you say. Thanks for taking the trouble to comment. That, of course, leaves another puzzle. Why, after going all the way to Crewe to see, in my own humble opinion the crowning glory of steam engines, did I not record it? Baffling!

Yet again you have done an excellent job on these photos Thank you very much for taking the time to do it, again much appreciated.

Is that correct? They were owned by International Combustion at that time certainly but the article also says that it had purchased the Record Works at Hatton in 1946 and operated as an independent company. "International Combustion Holdings Ltd acquired a 100% shareholding of Clayton in 1957, but the company continued to operate autonomously as an entirely self-contained and self-supporting unit". As I understand the article Clayton continued to build locos there until their move to nearby Burton on Trent in 2005. Also in this "Urban Explorer" view of the Record Works after it had closed looks like the same place as the photographs were taken. https://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/threads/record-works.23166/ Happy to be proved wrong still though. Thanks.

Thank you very much for that analysis. (I was quietly hoping someone would come up with something like that! ). I do not argue in any way with your conclusion but the only thing that leaves a tiny doubt is that neither of those two locos is underlined in my Combined Volume. While that in itself is not an absolute guide, I lived in Nottingham and copping a Semi was pure gold for us - hence the trip all of the way to Crewe to see them. The only Coronations I have marked in my combined volume are 6234,6240, 6242, 6247, 6252, 6256 and 6257. I am unable to confirm the year as 1964 although it might well be, that was one thing I was hoping to get from this thread, so is it possible that it might be one of those locos? I stress that your expertise and time taken to answer is appreciated and I am still happy to be shown to be wrong.

That's brilliant, much appreciated. Thank you very much indeed. Back in the thread I asked if anyone knew if this was the works at Hatton in Derbyshire. I would have travelled that way on my journey to Crewe from Nottingham so I have to assume that is the place. Also there is a picture on the current Clayton website that shows a building with a sign that looks the same as this. Quite interesting: https://claytonequipment.co.uk/about-us/ Note the pictures showing inside the works with a Type 17 inside but also including the DHP1 further down the workshop. I guess that would make it towards the end of Class 17 manufacture so probably means the 17 in view would be one of the Rolls Royce engined versions?

Possibly, but do not have any recall of ever being at Sheffield Midland but do have faint recall of Victoria - see above answer. Thanks for suggestion though.

In that case perhaps we travelled from Nottingham Victoria. Presumably we would have had to change trains at Sheffield Victoria and reverse direction to get to Doncaster? There is a vague stirring of memory of waiting on Sheffield Victoria so perhaps that explains it. I just cannot recall the details clearly, very frustrating but Thank you for the information. The main reason for the trip that day was to see a round Doncaster Works and I do remember some details of that. It was very interesting indeed. I suspect we did not pay so much attention to the details of the journey because that was just "another" trip and everything was still quite "ordinary" (apart from the Woodhead Electric Loco). Young teenage lads who did not really recognise the times that were about to change everything we knew of and were familiar with. If only we had realised and taken more notice! How many of you have said that?

I guess that works outs even if I was travelling from Nottingham to Doncaster via the Midland route through Sheffield. That would probably be more likely than using the old GC route from Nottingham. I just cannot remember the details of what we did.

Thanks. It is a new area of learning for me although I have played with Elements and Paint Shop Pro in the past. I am currently "learning" and trying to figure out trial versions of the latest PSP and Luminar plus trying to grasp GIMP. If I can work out which is best and whether I am capable of using it I may pay out for one of them. It needs a lot of patience!

Yes, I thought that also - but the point made was that it reminded me of my Vitesse which, from a sideways view, was almost identical.

Not brilliant but they were a nice surprise for me. Anyone got an exact fix on the year please?

Thanks for your suggestions. As I said though the film has only just been returned from the processor so I can only assume it is an effect on the film itself. I was very careful with it and put it straight into the scanner after removing it from the negative protector. (The scanner is clean). I am ashamed to say that it has not been looked after during its 60 years of waiting to be developed and was not kept in any canister or light proof container because i had assumed many years ago that it was ruined. However, I will look again and wash to see if it has any effect.

It's always interesting to see such pictures as they still provide a lot of detail and memories even if the quality is not what it once was. I have visited this site in recent years and it is now nothing like as interesting as it used to be! At least something was kept. This shot also served as a useful reminder of owning my Triumph Vitesse! (And, at least, three different versions of that Cortina). Thanks.

Thanks for the info about the OHLE mast number, I will try to follow that up. I am having a real problem remembering where I took this photo. The only thing I can think off is that the same film has pics of a school visit to Doncaster Works and I wonder if we travelled from Nottingham to Doncaster via the GC and Sheffiield Victoria. I do wish my recall was better than it is! The "speckling" is a function of ageing on the film rather than dust I think as I have only just received them back from the processor. Sitting, undeveloped, in a drawer for 60 years would not have helped (5 years before I started wotk and 12 years after I retired!). It was something that I would rediscover from time to time and always meant to do something with but never quite got around to doing. I think, in later years, I always thought it would be a waste of time to process it and that it would require some expensive special processing. That's not the case as it finally turned out. Thanks for your interest.

Yes indeed. Thank you very much for that.

Yes, I am aware of GIMP and have it loaded on my PC. However I am finding it very hard work to learn to use though (and it appears that I am not the only one). Even the manual is difficult to use. Trying to get rid of marks, scratches and noise without ruining detail too much is a learning and slow process with any software but GIMP, while undoubtably very capable indeed, is not so user friendly to use for such a process.

Thanks very much indeed for pointing that out. I wouldn't have known as I don't remember that loco at all and had to look it up on line. A very interesting type 3 hydraulic. Painted red with cream top but doesn't appear to have worked much, if at all, on the main line. Short lived. Glad I got something interesting on that trip anyway!

Recently I discovered an old roll of undeveloped 120 black and white film in a drawer. I have just had it developed and it had some surprises, not least that the pictures were mostly legible although, not surprisingly poor quality. I am well aware of the poor quality and am currently looking at various software packages to clean them up and I am in a learning curve of using them myself so it will take time (THese pics are untouched). It is difficult as I am finding that, so far, software that removes the "speckles" also tends to blur detail. I guess that Photoshop might be an answer to the problem but that would be too expensive a solution for me. I think the film dates from 1962-64. Pictures include a trainspotting visit to Crewe station (most pics of Electrics, looking back I wonder why I took those when steam was still working!), a school visit to Doncaster Works (lots of diesels and a 9F) and a school visit to either Hindlow (or Dowlow) quarry in Derbyshire ( Lots of quarry detail but no trains). I admit to being surprised to find a picture of a Warship at Crewe (I don't remember seeing it there, a sign of my age!). I guess that would be on a working from Shrewsbury? (or possibly Chester?) Also the picture of a Clayton class 17, presumably new but possibly on repair, at Clayton Works. Is that the Hatton works of Clayton? Picture of a Coronation at Crewe. It's what I would have gone to see so the poor quality of that picture is a disappointment plus the fact that I cannot identify it. That might be a reversed image. Picture of a Woodhead Electric - no idea where that would have been taken. Some pictures may have been taken travelling from Nottingham to Crewe? I attach the following pictures to ask if anyone can help me date the photos please (or any other info or comment?). Again, apologies for porr quality.

I think that reversing into a bay, straight or angled, is often banned when the back of the car would face a building. The reason is to avoid exhaust fumes being sucked into air conditioning systems.

There's no lack of idiots anywhere.

Map showing the pub. My interest is that I visited the Astronomy site a couple of times during my working career. I seem to remember that the reason the telescopes originally needed to spaced out well along the line was that they obtained more detailed "pictures" with muliple antennas spaced apart (Long Base line). I understand, but am open to correction, that this has long been superceded by using antennas now spaced apart internationally (Very Long Baseline?).

Many, if not all, Conflats were fitted but, of course, with vacuum brakes. I assume that means mainland railways would have to treat any such wagons as unfitted?

Thank you very much for that. It certainly does look like the same type of container pattern and would fit with the other detail that has been suggested.