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I use HMRS Pressfix as water slide Decals, technically wrong but works perfectly, prefer to spend longer positioning. Am I the only one?

Regarding the countersunk heads I did make it clear to you we countersunk the 1st heads on the 1st wagon and after they were printed it was decided by the client for the next 3 to make them stick out a little to at least have some representation of them for paint to grab too. People can always nick them off, 2 second job. For the few slightly thick details it's a matter of pandering to Shapeways' printing tolerances and seeing detail rather than it being undetectable. Could always obtain one and complete it (nick the heads off if needed) then you could judge it more accurately.

Ok thanks, will look into it. Only the 1st was programmed as a vehicle but it was reprogrammed correctly after. Odd how the pacific with Hornby 8 pin decoder stops point 7 working just by being on the track. Green icons in the app move yet point doesn't fire, even after changing point motor and it's address. Other loco doesn't cause a bother. Will figure it in time. --- Edit: Now it's working. Didn't do anything, just tried on a different day. Gremlins.

Had plenty of courtesy until was repeatedly accused wrongly and spoke down to. Yep, I sure do have different ideas about the world. 'On ya go,' funny. I'll wind my neck in if people prove a consistent, logical truthfull argument. 4 pages (p11 onwards) people can read and quote if they're bothered. Probably not.

"Probably not the best" Why? They pis5ed me off multiple times. Tether ended. I'm not 'most' people, neither do I pander to herd mentality so forget 'band wagon' arguments. I care about what is actually real, regardless of if others see me as a prick in the process. I never once went off topic, yet several times was accused of it, also repeatedly I apparently said the app was faulty several times - I didn't, that was another. Apparently I'm wrong about some loco's shorting out the new turnouts n slips...even though it's a known issue on SOME locomotives, but that gets put to me condescendingly. Shorting was a passing remark in the bulk of the post that very much was in context of the Z21 app. Then when I reply to a comment about the shorting, apparently that again qualifies as me 'not keeping on z21' topic, even though it was a reply. Both of them clearly have a major issue with basic comprehension and logic. As I said before. I'm greatful for the help recieved. The rest of this crap I'm not. - Figured half of it out. One of the loco's when placed on the rails anywhere stops point 7 working, only point 7 including a replaced Smail as a test So it's likely an issue with loco chip or a partial incompatability with Z21 language or whatever.

No & no. If you have a problem with my text, tough. I'm done being civil with the both of you. Will figure it myself.

"Feel free to keep posting your issues in the z/Z21 app thread but be equally prepared not get resolutions to your issues as they are nothing to do with the app - as I said, all you gripes and complaints about the app not doing x or y have all been down to issues external to the app and the app has performed correctly." Its easy to say that if you know what the issue is - I don't. Z21 and Smail communication is a related subject. If you indeed do know what the issue is why didn't you just say so instead of being an awkward bugga. Never mind. Will figure it out myself. Can't be arsed bouncing this 5shit with you all the time. If anyone wants to chime in after reading the previous page - https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/154348-circuitron-smail-point-motors-help-request/&tab=comments#comment-3956731

This latest issue I don't yet know what the fault is whether it is a duff Smail, wiring or a communication issue with Z21. I haven't once said the Z21 app has a fault, although other people have several times if you go back and read through. You yourself mentioned the DS workaround of single points for programming. This likely isn't an app fault but could have been designed better to not have to need a work around. As for the shirt circuit being a sin to mention. I mentioned it with two sentences out of ten in that post - not a big deal, and it wasn't a question. I also mentioned it above as a reply to Melmerby, also not a question. I'm well within Z21 conversational context. I'm greatfull for the help you've gave me thus far but this speech control nonsense is fruitless. I wouldn't mind if your argument had a tight consistent logic yet all I'm seeing is a colander. The Circuitron Smail thread has been created anyway.

Hello. I'm a new user of the Roco Z21 and Circuitron Smails. Have had a bit of bother here n there but most of it's sorted. Guys at the New Z21 App have been helpfull for which I'm greatful. Upon latest post however it is thought that the question is no longer relavent to the Z21 app. I disagree but have trawled through 35 pages here anyway looking for another suitable thread and not found one, so here we are. I've got 6 programmed and working with the Z21 app so far but the 7th doesn't want to. Below is mostly a cut n paste job from the other thread. If anyone can help thanks in advance. - The tandem I've added 2 motors to and joined the 2 frog wires like instructions say, ran an engine through it slowly and no shorts so seems correct polarity. Programed one of the motors fine, the other......it's ignorant. (Programming on 2 standard point icons 1st then will go to tandem icon after, like Double Slip workaround.) Issue: The programming light on the Smail often goes out and even when it doesn't pressing the green point iconon the Z21 app is like prodding a bored bear. The icon moves but the motor rarely fires. It'll eventually do the registration wiggle then after that it goes back to sleep. Too much honey. Any ideas here? :-/

If I'm pressing the green point on the Z21 app and the point motor isn't firing every time then the Z21 app is part of the puzzle. Unless the issue is with the motor or wiring (unsure yet) then I don't see how this isn't contextually tied to the app as a subject. The Z21 has to communicate with the Smail. If I went to or started a Smail thread and explained the same problem I'd get someone say the same thing but backwards, that I should ask it in the Z21 thread instead. Edit: Have made a Circuitron Smail thread anyway, just seem pointless when for several days we've been talking about the Z21 app' and Smails in conjunction the whole time.

No. It's a known fact some loco's don't like the new Peco Unifrog Bullhead turnouts and the older electrofrog DS as the back of the flanges on fat wheels can bridge the gap between the closure rails. Anticipated the possibility before I brought them due to research. (Edit: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/140920-Hornby-locos-shorting-on-points/ ) It's only some locos. Can fix it. Any idea on the Smail issue?

Since the DS fiasco I've rewired the original point so the frog tip works ok and also wired two more standard points with the Smails and they are ok too. The Pacific stalls n sometimes trips system due to those insulators being too close together - nice one Peco. So it's the nail varnish or cutter and solder bodge. The tandem I've added 2 motors to and joined the 2 frog wires like instructions say, ran an engine through it slowly and no shorts so seems correct polarity. Programed one of the motors fine, the other......it's ignorant. (Programming on 2 standard point icons 1st then will go to tandem icon after, like DS workaround.) Issue: The programming light often goes out and even when it doesn't pressing the green point icon is like prodding a bored bear. The icon moves but the motor rarely fires. It'll eventually do the registration wiggle then after that it goes back to sleep. Too much honey. Any ideas here? :-/

Worked! Many thanks for all the help. Will do a shout out in the vid concerning the whole ordeal. Rather than feeling all fuzzy I'm just relieved it's out the way. The pacific still stalls there a fair bit but I've put that down to the slip not being 100% flat and the loco requiring more pick ups ideally, only has them on the drivers. can sort that later. But the slip logic, movement and electrics all seem to be working at last. Wiring looks a dogs dinner but it works now so not touching unless have to. Logic included also. Beer time. EDIT: Thought I'd do a neater version partially hand drawn. 1st pic is the wiring I was using before minus the physical toggle switches and that I was adding power from 1 & 8. Next after that is what I've done and last picture is the alternate. As I understand it red n black may need switching too but either way, hopefully it'll help some one. Took me 3 days to install 2 motors! Bad init!

Ok brill. Will give it a go now and report back. Will end up being a video this.

So does 1 need to be joined to 2 and 3 to 8? And if its backwards join 1 to 3 and 2 to 8 instead. 1 and 8 to my knowledge (lol!) need power to move the points physically.