Scott B

March 1983 skirtless (Dave Jolly) https://www.flickr.com/photos/hoover29/8757980063/in/photolist-ekUWmg-pFEaDV-2mkgcFR-2m7PTna-2hojMKL-eWdMV5-tHbLso-2igm1cQ-2ioeQag-r46QcD-2jboJz5-LtB51x-KDuMFm-787Jav-DpTdTf-LqZeXm-KDuM2q-dLk6iW-La5TGo-24NC5XJ-f4KDRP-k8R42J-bo5ibd-b8f1TZ-eeYGn5-2kAHjeA-2ahgYyK-2kAfFwj-CuNEhB-dnvMFU-f4KDSt-CN8tTa-de9gQC-LtB4gB-YyomCH-LtB3gv-2kqTkFx-LqZcFC-o9ZJuq-GRV3Nw-eee636-wp8QNn-LtB4NZ-nvZgjV-dQoT44-fyqaFT-Ywmie5-pe6YBa-J8Pnbf-2iLmYYS By December 1984 it had at least had its headcode boxes painted black. https://www.flickr.com/photos/52409131@N05/8682305829/in/photolist-eee636-wp8QNn-LtB4NZ-nvZgjV-dQoT44-fyqaFT-Ywmie5-pe6YBa-J8Pnbf-2iLmYYS-2kVcFcf-KchdzZ-LtB3Yx-2iJYHwj-dtEvBQ-fqVxY2-4kscro-b8Bqhv-de9gNE-b8BrZ8-dTtzjD-2emtPGf-fh9vT5-2m9oXQR-rskFv8-dNvWzH-aMaUXr-GT4Sfb-wBe32a-zkP3WY-MKtK67-9RwSs5-diNxBK-hXCbzH-5W3AQ8-MCnNnz-bPju76-n2g92F-dA4vFj-9HTP7j-ek8FZh-cADTj1-boo7R9-bCEQQY-zwiVoV-2bkTdSA-bEcSwY-2fWxiSc-HYRh1s-dKQpBK HTH Scott

They also ventured down the Hindlow branch to Briggs Sdgs. There is a picture out there in cyberspace but it eludes me at the moment to link it. HTH Scott

Ahh, yes. Thanks and apologies to Bomag. Likewise I am not aware of any 105s in White/Blue. I seem to recall that the white & blue livery had something to do with Metropolitan PTE's back in the day ? Maybe that is why Anglia escaped the livery as I doubt there were many PTE's out that way such as WMPTE, SYPTE, GMPTE etc although I think the Cambridge-Royston shuttles had white & blue examples of the 101s.

Are you sure they were all LMR allocated ? There were Norwich & Lincoln allocted 105s

Thanks Will, that be them :-) Scott

I would say you are spot on there Mike. When these were first proposed Cav/Alex uploaded a historical train guide in two parts, pre & post privatisation complete with illustrations and dates, pretty much like Revolution used to do. Maybe that could be made available somewhere ?

In the image linked previously in this thread (and here again below) the third wagon back is what I take to be the (standard) Redland livery which is available in packs CM PG012 N (R) TP A/B/C/D, the bracketed (R) being for Redland I assume, and either with or without the protection panel. Product Description Set of 3 Redland PGA 51T Hopper Wagons The fourth, fifth and 6th wagons back are what I would assume to be the Larger Redland CM PG012 N (LR) TP A (the bracketed (LR) being for Large Redland I assume. Product Description Set of 3 Redland Large Logo PGA 51T Hopper Wagons It is clear that this version, which I think first appeared early 1989, maybe late 1988 ? have a larger Redland logo to me, as you would expect with a Large Logo Redland product description. I do not believe you have any of these illustrated Paul as your collection predates these from what I have observed. I hope that clears things up and I apologise for the lack of clarity previously, maybe it was not as obvious as I thought, or maybe I have it all wrong and the Large Redland Logo is not what I thought it to be, ie the fouth, fifth and six wagons as per the illustration. I was just trying to get things clearer for those with lesser knowledge of the liveries than myself, not that I am an officianado by any stretch of the imagination, but if i am correct, the larger logo is not depicted as such in the train pack illustration as to my eye it appears the same size as the normal Redlands.

Now enlarged upon, excuse the pun.

On the illustrations for the packs it looks like the Redland logo is the same size as the packs of standard Redland logo. The larger logo does not appear any larger, at least to my eye. The larger logo, being larger, finishes further down the bodyside. For those not overly familiar with the liveries (and there have been questions already) this fact does not appear to be depicted and people may not be familiar with what they are purchasing.

It looks as though the image for the larger logo Redland set may be incorrect ?

Not so sure about that Mike as the wagons were painted with the mid grey stripe from new(ish). There are many images on the web that show the mixed rakes with the all green versions that came later in their lives. Back in 1980/81 they operated as a uniform rake with grey stripes behind 2x25 or 45s. I was in for a rake or two of these when first proposed and spoke to Alex at some show or other about them. They are going to cost more through Rails but my support will be there for sure.

Well the 47's weren't far away judging by the sound dubbing of the 37 leaving Ft Bill and crossing through the gates at Morar LOL Scott

Harlow Mill was/is another Scott

Somewhere on the Berks & Hants or mybe that is a bit obvious ;-) Scott

I couldn't agree more Steven,. The re-runs used to be much more frequent. Demand for the Mk2a TSO in Blue/Grey is there as they are current going for £70+ on a certain auction site. Although I am not currently requiring any of them there are other Blue/Grey coach variants I am after and they too are not currently available and are going for silly prices. Scott

What, the Midland Main line without any 45's !! Although to be fair, you do not specify what year, but with 25's I must be in the ball park. As has been mentioned, this game is all about accumulation over a number of years, although that timeframe is ever increasing and we still await that elusive sealed beam class 45. Scott

The 40 has gone up by a tenner as well, which if just for plastic, put against a 3 car DMU is rather steep seeing as you are using less material. Scott

When I lived in Wood Green back in the 80s there were two off licences in close proximity to a pub. One literally next door, the other on the opposite site of the street. Numerous foody takeaways as well. Scott

On the same Speedlink theme, the S&C orange sets used to appear on Whitemoor-Norwich SLK trips as well, usually just a single set of 4. They were also seen under repair at March Marcroft. I will certainly be in for a pair of these, one loaded one empty, as well as some blue ones. Wallet getting ready for a pounding. Scott

Certinly cannot argue and I would agree with your logic Ben :-) Scott

Those Imerys JNAs were never white, they arrived new in blue as replacements/additions to the earlier PBA Clay Tigers, which as far as I know have still never been produced either in original white or Tiphook blue. As such, I suspect that it is these white clay tigers that Western Aviator is yearning rather than these later wagons. Or then I could have it completely wrong LOL Regards Scott

They look good Robert. I still have two of the blue sets to build to add to my existing three. I foolishly didnt aquire any of the Silcock ones at the time. The orange looks like a fairly good resemblence of a weathered example to me although from seeing them many times on the WCML my memory is telling me that when cleaner they were more orangy. Regards Scott

Here, here to that. Have been waiting seemingly forever for the Cravens 105 to get shrunk.

'Tis a work of art ! Scott

Another vote for said BDA in faded railfreight red. Scott