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  1. Milk would get my vote. The traffic lasted up until 1980 and railside dairies came in various shapes and sizes. The smart art deco example at Moreton in the Marsh is always a favourite of mine and loosely inspired the kit-bashed dairy on my layout.
  2. 44170 very probably had a sunshade when new but these tended to be removed over time. I think the Blue livery with plain white lettering is the post-war version so may well be correct for the un-shaded version of the tank. You would need a photo to be certain though. I would say there is nothing in the photo of the model that looks anachronistic.
  3. The lettering matches that on this preserved SR example. The numbering and lettering on the chassis looks correct as 44170 was an example built by the LMS in 1931 for Express Dairies.
  4. Fascinating shot, thanks for sharing. I have seen bubble cars tripping milk tanks before between Saltash and Plymouth but not around Torrington. No date unfortunately but I guess mid-60s based on the GSYP class 122. I was not aware of Torrington dispatching single tanks like this, the norm in the books seems to be substantial rakes of 6 or even 8 tanks at a time. The following shot shows a similar unit at Torrington (sans milk tank unfortunately). https://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/other/hA873F8AD
  5. Pretty much everything in the film is new or nearly so which helps. I don't doubt that a lot of time and elbow grease was spent on it though.
  6. I am fairly sure the navy blue livery with white lettering was a post-war livery. The ED livery from the 1930s was slightly more ornate with lined out lettering as seen here in this 1931 example. https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p937014290/hCE88B46E#hce88b46e
  7. There is a nice promotional video of Express Dairy from 1954 featuring the then brand new bottling plant at Morden. Around the 7:50 mark you can see the resident shunter moving a short train of tanks into the plant. 2 are silver and the other 2 navy blue. Both look newly painted based on their condition. http://www.yorkshirefilmarchive.com/film/daily-round-story-milk-production-and-distribution I do have a shot of a milk train at Carlisle in 1965 featuring a navy blue Express Diary tank with white lettering. Unfortunately it is copyrighted so I can't post it. If the blu
  8. Good thinking. That wheeled appliance could be some sort of pump. Hard to tell at the distance. I have seen it (or something similar) in another shot of Dolcoath but again it is not clear enough to make out. It does suggest its presence was not a coincidence though.
  9. I am not 100% certain but I think it is a GWR diagram O58. 2 batches were built in 1947 and 1951. They had 2 separate tanks internally to allow different grades of milk to be carried. Each inner tank had its own filler, hence the 2 ladders for access.
  10. I suppose it must have done. While a few places like Torrington had a shed with facilities at the road-rail loading point, many were just plain sidings like Dolcoath. Some rail-served creameries could load multiple tanks at once. St Erth was mentioned as having 2 loading points while photos of Green Grove appear to show 4 sets of filling pipes. Even so I do not doubt that loading was a time-consuming job and probably doubly so for the sites served by lorry. To be fair, I don't know of anywhere that dispatched 10 tanks in one go. The largest amount I know of from a single location w
  11. There is another great shot of Dolcoath from the 1950s, this time from the roadside. https://www.transporttreasury.com/p422157391/h31bae057#h31bae057 Interesting details include the taps and hoses down below the track. I would guess these were for rinsing out the tanks. Also there is some sort of wheeled appliance in the background, near the loco. Anyone care to hazard a guess what it might be? A portable steam lance for sterilizing perhaps?
  12. No, the manholes were used only for cleaning and maintenance. Using them for milk would risk contamination as you rightly deduced. It would also cause frothing which could also lead to the milk spoiling. Milk was pumped in using a small inlet on the top of the milk tank. Inside, the plumbing was arranged such that the milk ran down the sides of the tank to avoid frothing. Milk was pumped into the inlet using pipes or hose that made a fairly tight seal. At least one facility I have seen used funnels to ensure no spillages. The position and number of inlets varied depending on the di
  13. I am afraid I don't know but I would expect something along those lines.
  14. Spot on on both counts. You can see the end valve pretty clearly here on this preserved example. Cleaning was done via the large manhole cover at the top. I presume it was originally a manual process but some facilities eventually received automatic cleaners. You can see the one at St Erth in operation in this photo. It seems to have splashed quite a lot. http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/uploads/7/6/8/3/7683812/3297982_orig.jpg In addition to rinsing, tanks were also cleaned with steam lances to sterilise them. You can see one in use on
  15. I have only seen photos of the 6-wheeled ones on the Chard-Stowmarket workings but it is possible that the 4-wheelers were used too. There is no evidence of the 4-wheelers being used but one photo is all it would take....
  16. Yes, the rake parked at Lostwithiel was part of the same reserve fleet. They were not new but heavily refurbished and came in 2 different diagrams. The MMB selected 40 ex 6-wheel milk tanks and 26 ex 4-wheel class B tank wagon frames with barrels from earlier milk wagons and clad them in stainless steel. The refurbished 4-wheelers were classified TRV and the 6-wheelers TMV.
  17. Milk is something of a niche subject. The trains often ran at odd hours to suit milking times and get the milk to London in time for the morning milk round. Despite often being hauled by express passenger locos, the tanks tended to be grubby in BR days. The creameries and bottling plants that dispatched and received the tanks were often unobtrusive industrial buildings (although there were a handful of "showpiece" facilities such as Wood Lane, Rossmore Road, Torrington and Moreton-in-Marsh which all had striking art deco buildings). Overall it seems to have been a traffic that attr
  18. Afraid not. Would have been interesting though. Mid-green with white lettering. I imagine they would have ended up looking khaki coloured very quickly once in service.
  19. I haven't seen a black IMS livery. Pre-war was red and post-war was blue. I suspect it was just Lima being Lima.
  20. Yes. The late 50s and early 60s saw a spate of mergers and takeovers. Express took over HE&S just after nationalisation and IMS a few years later. In 1959, United Dairies merged with Cow and Gate (including its subsidiary, Dried Milk Products) to create Unigate. In 1960, Unigate took over Aplin and Barrett and acquired their “St Ivel” brand. Ambrosia ceased dispatching milk by rail at the end of 1962. By the end of 1963, just Unigate, MMB and Express Dairies would still be dispatching milk by rail. This was down from nearly a dozen at nationalsation.
  21. Many of the colourful liveries of milk tankers were pre-war colour schemes. After pooling in 1942, tankers slowly started to be turned out in plain silver livery with owning dairy denoted by a small owners plate. This usually weathered to a pretty dull colour in service as the tanks were not cleaned often. The image below shows the "classic" look for BR-era tankers. However this is not the whole story. New milk tankers continued to be built into the early 50s and these were still painted in the owning dairy liveries, even as older tanks were getting painted plain silve
  22. I can't think who you might be referring to. The MMB refurbished milk tanks were only used briefly in 1981 to transport excess cream from Chard to Stowmarket for processing. Sadly the flow was badly organised by both the MMB and BR. The Chard shunter was notoriously unreliable meaning the tankers were often late being marshalled. BR staff had to drive down from Westbury shed to man the loco. It took lorry turns away from Chard which upset the local drivers. Lastly, there were no washout facilities at Stowmarket. This meant the used tankers were returned to Chard with the residual
  23. Even prior to WW2, it was not uncommon to see milk tanks from one diary at another's facilities. The Milk Marketing Board was established in 1933 and from an early stage, it took a hand in ensuring that milk was not wasted by routing excess milk to facilities that had capacity to process it into longer-lived commodities. Here is a shot of of the Cow and Gate plant at Johnstown near Carmarthen in the late 30s. If you look closely, you can see an Express Dairies tank in residence indicating that inter-dairy traffic was already occurring at this date. One comp
  24. I am pretty sure that all the regular choc and cream stock for the WR named expresses were Mk1 stock. Exceptions were those already mentioned (catering vehicles, slips etc). I have never heard or seen of a rake of Hawksworths receiving BR choc and cream in 50s. May I ask where you heard about this?
  25. I think you are correct. Several catering vehicles spent the war years out of service and were decided to be in need of refurbishment before returning to service. I don't have a list of all the vehicles so treated but it is probably in Russel somewhere.
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