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  1. Thank you Colin, excellent knowledge. I walked what I could of the rural section in the mid eightie, I think.... I didn't see any track then. There were rails in the depot yard in Amblecote at that time, there long gone now although the depot building is still there. It is the Stourbridge laser quest now and sits the other side to a Chinese restaurant that was once the fish inn where trams would depart for kinver. Anyway, the inclusion of old depot data returns the hyjacked thread to its true purpose andy
  2. Kinnear clarks book Tramways, their construction and working of 1894 has an image over a couple of pages showing 50 different rolled steel rail sections. A couple of those are centre groove. There must be 150 pages dedicated to current thinking an track construction. Remember this would predominantly cover rails for horse and steam tram. i learnt recently that the rural sections of the kinver tramway used railway style rail but changed to tramway grooved rail when they came to the crossing loops, I imagine that is to enable them to utilise tramway points and crossings. i think it was the use of railway rail and the narrow 3' 6" gauge that meant the board of trade would only allow single deck operation, the tramways grooved rail providing a constant check rail and therefore stability. The tramway flanges being so much shallower than their railway counterparts. Andy
  3. I am familiar with his work and I have used them in a number of scales, just checking that he is doing all things in all scales.. I have started a project modelling Black country steam trams in 7mm. So, very interested in Victorian figures As I have to scratch build the steam tram locomotives, the trailers, the track and the streets and all of the buildings I am very keen to have something I can just buy and paint... See the project at 'The Trams that Time Forgot' in 'Trams and tramway modelling' here on Rmweb.. Andy
  4. I know the thread reads 4mm Edwardian figures, can I assume that these will also be available in 7mm.... do you Think? andy
  5. I said that I would model on a number of fronts. Those that know me may have wondered what wagonbasher was doing messing with the steamy mass transit of passengers rather than freight. Well. There is always room for a bit of freight. All steam tram systems had PW wagons but more about those later... This project was patented and used for a while by the South Staffordshire Tramways, Local authorities muscled the idea out after a few years (two noisy too much) but for a while this was urban freight on the Black Country Streets. This is a road rail wagon. The goods would be picked up from the 'supplier' by this horse and cart. Four equal 3 foot diameter wheels, with what looks like removable sides. The 'Oss' takes the wagon to the tramway... No provision for wagon driver looking at the drawing so presumably the Oss and wagon are lead. Once the wagon reaches the tramway, a steam tram locomotive or the Oss traction position the wagon over the rails and a second set of wheels, road wheels are lowered down onto the rails using a windlass on the wagon. As the rail wheels are lowered onto the rails taking the weight of the wagon they lift the road wheels off the floor. The steering turntable is locked. A wagon on rails is easier and quicker to pull for the horse, heavier weights, less lumps and bumps from unmade roads. Once close to the destination the road wheels are lowered back down, the rail wheels lifting up and the steering turntable unlocked. Then the Oss or a different OSS takes the wagon away from the tramway to the customer. Images from the Kinnear Clarke book from 1894 Its not clear what happens to the 'shafts' in transit on the rails as there is nothing on the drawing, I suspect that they would be hinged (they are hinged anyway) upright and strapped in place Andy Duncan has a good range of 7mm horses, carts, wagons, traction engines etc in both white metal and brass. This will form the basis of the road rail wagon model: I only need the deck, the wheels and the under frame. I can get 'HO' / TT wagon wheels at 8mm (just over a foot in 7mm) diameter from 'Branchlines', they are the Black beetle range of wheels (just wheels, not Black beetle bogies). I will need to replace the axles to suite the 24.5mm gauge. Order for wheels being placed this weekend. Andy
  6. It does look strange without a trolley pole....... Andy
  7. An an interesting talk tonight. I hadnt realised that that the group.. The group restoring the sandfield pumping station in Lichfield were just having a monthly meeting with a 1 hour talk at the end. i sat very politely and quietly as they went through their projects health and safety and the new rewiring. very interesting and when I looked it up at home, what an amazing building. I will take a chance to see the building as the project develops. Staffordshire and the Black Country trams are a big topic for an hour and it was a romp around staffordshires tram systems with crowd pleasing anecdotes thrown in. a good night. andy
  8. I see the building in the last photo is still there today. It looks like a pub maybe a sign behind the gas lamp. Odd that the Sun shades / canopies are completely coving the window. The building is now the offices of a social care company. It is on the junction of church street and high street. Andy
  9. A nice day out at the 'barn'. Look, as if by magic without the use of hands or a trolley pole it moves. I presume it runs off batteries? Did you spot the Midland Railway crest on the side? As for the other photographs they are clearly taken by you in your local area with some kind of sepia filter or app. Looks nice, did the weather hold. I am going to the talk tonight that Richard posted on this thread a few days ago. It is on Staffordshire trams, the B&A should just qualify. Andy
  10. Ok, thank you, I might get the chance later today. Now that BCb has moved out I am trying to finish my garage extension. I was part though plaster boarding etc all those years ago when BCB came along. my new trams need a home. Andy
  11. Oh... I thought I had replied to that question, here goes again. the laser cut windows are very accurate, in 7mm I think the depth of the frames is good. Probably a bit heavy in 4mm. Thet are cut from wood so I reserve absolute approval until I paint some but at £0.49 a window I think that's pretty good. limited range, a bit more industrial, I guess the range matches the building kits. andy
  12. Building development Last week at Doncaster I bought some laser cut windows from Lcut Creative. You will see below that I have two style's of sash window. Just blue tacked in place. Marking up the next three houses for cutting out the windows doors and two entires running front to back into the yard. The fisrt of the upstairs shop windows The overall plan. Each scene will be on its own removable board, to the left I am planning a property with stabling and a 'nail shop'. Andy
  13. I was was also thinking plasterboard would be better. I am doing the same job, admittedly to a modern but single brick build but I will just tape the joints with paper and paint the whole thing. andy
  14. thank you, that is is excellent Andy
  15. I realised today that the link I included above has a series of Birmingham and Aston Kitson tram locomotives. Tram locomotive Number 27 of 1886 does show that the chimney with just the one window in the central panel. The tram in Hull is Northern Ireland's Portstewart Tramway No' 1 of 1882. Andy
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