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In my inactive railway modelling period I still be collecting ideas and stories and possible parts as well as the Dapol limited run wagons from Will Hay Appreciation Society Buggleskelly inspired wagons. https://www.photogra-fix.com/railways I plan a simple version of Buggleskelly on a plank. So have started with both a wagon a SRNI brake van & rural cottage / pub. Like the crofters cottage for HOn3 Owenahincha Bay. The SRNI is a collection of old 1950/1960 modernized with new wheels and couplers, the body I think is a metal Trix one, the chassis Grafar OO one and parts from the Dapol Brake van intal doorways running boards and wheels and NEM couplers. Itbeen givena paint scheme for the SR but needs some SR wagon and alpthabet lettering. The cottage/pub is based on a rural thatched Irish prototype, using roof chimmney doors and window from a Dapol Thatched Cottage. Next it needsa coating of white paint and modpog to seal the formboard whalls and give a basic whitewash rendering. Also is a GW open wagon bought for the prncley sum of £2.50 which i intend to modernize to fit in with the other my planns for Gladstone is one of the small cheap opencab Jouef 0-6-0T

Michael Really liking how the back of Market St, Chandwell is developing, the latest installment, the building from Liam at Deansgate really fit into the street. It shows it well worth loking to the prototype and real world examples to see how they fit and interact. I really struggle at times with the N gauge it done to such eye to detail you could be mistaken for thinking Chandwell is a 4mm scale layout. Ian

Michael I'm really liking the way the back of Market Street is developing the 1960's buildings from Dale St Bradford the most recent one looks a bit like a larger one on Mercury Row Otley. It does really fit in with Pockets as both are like 1960's redevelopment of replacing a couple of Victorian buildings either due to wartime bomb or fire damage or an older Music Hall or Bingo Hall which was unsafe. Looking at the subject of a possible Mosque or other places of worship in Chandwell following history in Bradford, Kirkless or Halifax , which could be an image on the backscene, or a model form many older Mosque were 1st in convert buildings including church or halls or shop, later in new builds. But these might have been in the districts around the city or town centre. https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/13836029.history-of-islam-in-bradford-explored-in-new-book/ That asks the question is the planned Methodist Church on Market St, is this the Chandwell Central Methodist Church, or is it closed awaiting redevelopment or still a place of worship but for a different Religious Group. I have been looking at various video from around the old Leeds Central Station closed in 1967, it viaducts still remain, but the site of the Station was a large Royal Mail Building from Mid 1970's untill early 2000's. There might be some idea which Chandwell followed. Then some You Tube Videos of Leeds Station in the 1990's came up. I hope this gives some more ideas but also that you are very much on the right track as it wer with Chandwell. Ian

Michael The latest part of Market Street is run down and just right for the atmoshere you're trying to convay. The idea of the rather brutal modern building is great, but not sure if with the nearby Methodist Church such Night Club would have been allowed by planners, a pub maybee, depends how effect them teetotal Methodist are with blocking a planning or lisensing application. After all orginaly Sir Titus Salt never had a Public House or Off Lisense in Saltaire, as tht demon drink was the ruin of the working classes. I agree a modern building fitting well into Market Street, it would give a bit of difference it either replacing a building been bombed during the World War 2, with boring brick commercail building, or like said in You Tube video a building Damage fire. Either way it would be a rather plan back with some sort of loading area/ If either was slightly lower roof line then the taller upfloors frontage of the building across Market Street. If the are any gaps or alleys between Market Street structure the other side of Market Street might also be glimpsed. You have to have some rather brutailist modern building somewhere as they seem to be all the rage in the 1960/1970's. It was a way of those modern foward think urban northern Labour Councils showing a nod the future also looking eastwards to a Eastern Block style, fit for everyone. So a building with ideas looking to the Eastern Block as a US Sports Bar a bit of a contrdection. After all US Sports became all the rage and rather trendy to the youth in the early 1990's, Amercain Football Teams had a real grass roots growth in the late 80's early 90's. I used to go and watch the Leeds Cougars at Bramely RL Ground on a Sunday afternoon in mid 1980's. I really like how Crandwell is coming on. It feels familiar with that northern grit, slightly down on it luck that era had. You also manage to get the level of detail usual found in OO and above. After post this it lead me to think about the shopping centre I remember around West Yorshire in the 1980's, This has lead me into another rabbit hole. I remember the Arndale Centre in Bradford & Merion Centre in Leeds. These date from the 1960's in a Brutailist style. From memory these were the most modern in the area until the more North American style Mall of The Ridings Wakefield opened. With later out of town complex like Metrocentre & Meadowhall.

Michael The ongoing You Tube videos on the rear of Market Street, is great it’s good to see how this developing. Your eye for detail is great. These copies of run down building backs are giving the atmosphere. Sometimes I feel it how I remember that era for late BR in a northern town, slightly down on its luck, avoiding those sort of back streets, or view them from the safety of a train.. Those back street could be any where in urban North from West Cumbria, Northumbria, Tyneside, Wearside, County Durham, Lancashire Merseyside, Manchester and West & South Yorkshire, during the late 1980’s early 1990’s. Looking at the latest building it got me thinking of the buildings on Mercury Row Otley, between Newmarket & Kirkgate, the mixture of older and more modern ones. Ian

Micael The Royal Scot Hotel article looks great in the latest BRM.

Michael Next video is great, about the double track viaduct to the long closed Goods Yard in Chandwell. Question would the railway have built a double track for a freight only viaduct when a single track one would have been cheaper, unless the Goods Warehouses & Yard area was the older passenger Station like Aldolphus St in Bradford so double track might have been the order of the day. Also if the point to go from the single track to double track was at the end of section modelled viaduct this could mean the double track starting on the removed plate girder bridge section and then any remaining sections disused lengths of viaduct could be double track. Also freight only lines may have been built to a tighter loading gauge needing a slightly narrower trackbed than a passenger section. Question was there in Chandwell history had any a section of this viaduct which lead to some Coal Drops with a street level Coal Yard with the wagons at the viaduct height, and the yard below. This might have been the area which was re developed in the late 1960 early 1970's say for the covered market or shopping arcade in a rather ugly bruterlist even Eastern Block style contrete building. These sort of 1960/70 stuctures tended to be becoming rather run down in by the late 1980's early 1990's with no money to redevelop them untill the early 2000's. The North Eastern Railway had Coal Drops in many of it Goods Yards, I know both Otley & Pool in Wharfedale did. This may have gone back to the early days of the railways in the North East with Chaldron wagons for coal traffic . Some of these Chaldron Wagon type lasted into NCB days on many North Eastern Colliery Internal Railway Networks. Sorry if this has given you some new questions or rabbit holes to jump into. Thinking aloud in the early 1990's in West Yorkshire the local authorities were look into many urban regeneration idea some which were good or have stood the test of like Eureka in Halifax or rather short lived like Transperience at Low Moor in Bradford. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transperience If Chandwell was having such a regeneration project in 1993 might there be a urban wasteland, a few rows or streets of nearly falling down back to back terraced house or a long closed mill building or complex, perhaps with a few construction vehicle surrounded with wooden graffti covered fences. Then there could be rather large billboard proclaiming Chandwell Metropoltian Councils great new idea which might be its wonder project or just one big white elephant only history will tell.

Chandell into the 2020's after a Station rebuild slight change of location and electfication. Not quite but the latest Bradford Foster Sq Station with a line up of Northern 333's. 3 terminus platforms. Ian

Michael as your latest Youtube video is up. Market Street blending into The Royal Scot Hotel is looking good. Here a few more West Yorkshire Pacers / Sprinters into the early 2000's.

Michael These two video have turned up on my YouTube feed as Forgotten Stations Bradford Exchange / Interchange & Adolphus Street. So Bradford had 3 passenger Terminal now only 2. So there the idea that Chandwell had 2 now only 1. Ian

Michael You Tube has recommend me this West Yorkshire Video of photos British Rail from the 1970's included at the end are colour photos of 2 of signal boxes at Shipley. I'm liking the lastest video the ideas for the visable rear of Market St are good, we tend to model the shop fronts, rather the back but from a railway vantage point we see all acpects of the views. Ian

Michael Just to turn the clock back at Chandwell, the start of Modern Traction, 1903 NER Autocar at Bolton Abbey Station. Well actual September 2021. Things have come foward a long way in 90 years to Chandwell in 1993. Was thinking about pub names as pubs near railway staion are sometimes the Station or Station Hotel or the railway company like the Midland or North Eastern. Ian

Hi Michael Now the latest You Tube video is up I've been looking at the Midland Signal Boxes, the were Midlands ones on both Airedale, Wharfedale and Settle & Carlisle Lines. I found by goggling and looking in various one of boxes at Shipley which had many of the feature which were inportant. Step up from platfrom many photos taken from road overbridge so looking down on Signal Box so able to measure height, steps up from platformThen going through my own photos I remembered the Signal Boxes at Bolton Abbey. Researching it further one with a overhang was from Guisieley on the Wharfedale Line. https://www.embsayboltonabbeyrailway.org.uk/oldsite/signalli.html Here it is at Bolton Abbey To give some ideas of how also i think that the final colour scheme which would cover the period Chandwell is set. Also here my flicker album of various locos for haulage in my pre digtal photo period. There might be some feature in the scene which cover the period before the layout. Ian

Michael I've been checking the online rescourse about the Railways of West Riding. So to give you ideas of how much railway was built and how much is still around. Adolphus St Goods Station is Bradford is seperate to the passenger at Exchange. Also in Chandwell was the Goods Yards on a lower level below the viaducts. Perhaps this has closed in the years before you set and some of the larger buildings and rusting rails cobbles are still there awaiting the redevelopment which may have been delayed by the resession of the early 1990's. If you go for the remains of viaducts to a Goods Station could ther be some track stilll be in situ but not used & cut off from the rest of the layout. Here the Link to Bradford. http://lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/Bradford.htm Heres the link to Dewsbury http://lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/Dewsbury.htm Here the link to Leeds http://lostrailwayswestyorkshire.co.uk/leeds west.htm In the era your modelling British Rail was sectorised and getting ready for privatization so reduction in all sorts of things. Cities which still had Household Coal Yards saw these closed and the traffic stopped. Parcel & Mail traffic changed, the Mail Trains went from serving local stations with many TPO trains, there used to be a Whitehaven Huddersfield TPO nightly. A nightly York Shrewsbury Passenger/Parcel train. Then the were changing to dedicated larger Mail only modern out of town Hubs. Stations like Leeds or Manchester Victoria which had large Mail/Parcel handing areas reduced or cut back. At Leeds the new platforms 0 to 4 were all the old parcel depot The is the idea that some towns & cities across the UK had a few different stations over the years and were reduced to just one. I know in East Anglia Cromer had 2 station now only 1, Great Yarmouth had 3 Stations and extessive frieght lines. Now there just one. Norwich had 3 Station over the years. The 1st Victoria was closed when the current Thorpe Syation was open. the area became a goods yard mainly Househod Coal with it own ex BR diesel shunter, this yard lasting till the early 1980's now it a supermarket. Ian

Hi Michael I thought I'd post a small reply on Chandwell You Tube channel. As I said I've got photos of the West Yorkshire Railway scene since the mid 1980's. I was brought up in Wharfedale, wher my parents still live. I have a interst in the whole history of West Yorkshire Railways since the early days of Middleton Railway in the 1810's. Here are some of the scans I've done from my photos of this era. I also know about the closures and reduction in railway. Take somewhere like Ilkley before Beeching it both a through Station on the Skipton to Arthington Jct line and a terminus from Leeds & Bradford with a large goods shed to the east of the station. Now it a 2 platforn terminal of the Wharfedale Lines. I remember Bradford when Interchange was the Inter-City Station for HST to London and Foster Sq was just for the Airedale & Wharfedale Lines, but with Large Warehouse for van trains for Gratton's. Ian

Whilst going through some other photos for a total different railway project I found a few photos I took around St Peter Quay, Albion Quay area of Ipswich Wet Dock when Cranfield’s was still working. Stoke Bridge Quay with corrugated gantry over entrance looking toward Ipswich Lower Yard. old view of a still working Wet Dock without any modern high-rise buildings. A working Cranfield’s Mill

Well the building is the long closed fire damaged Tolly Cobbold Brewery, which closed when Ipswich Brewers Tolly Cobbold, wer bought out by Greene King and production switched to Bury St Edmunds. Here a couple of other photos I took at the same time of Old Cliffe Quay Brewery. I will check if I've got any my in the various collections to see what more I,ve got. I know I took some at Great Yarmouth a few years back will have to dig them out as well.

Been for a walk around Ipswich Wet Dock, think I might have found the last bit of railway track on the whole Wet Dock Network. Looking towards Cliff Quay Brewery which was damaged by fire a few years ago. I think the track from the lockgate bridge would have been in the background. near the grass bank. The is no sign of any track on the bridge across the lock gate or around Cliff Quay. Or the cranes

Just a blast from past at a quay in Ipswich Wet Dock a Thames Barge this is the Will From Maldon. Looking into the type of boat which were common when like may docks around the East Coast were commerically active. Here in the mist of Wet Dock.

Been down Wet Dock today. Here a few more photos. Here the Older Corrigated Shed as seen in an older photo it was black. The shed is part of central island of Wet Dock/ Here are the 2 cranes on the island . Don't tgink there in use any more . Here a close up of them. They look the same type just at slightly different angle, hard to get a good clear photo from between the boat masts.

Interesting Fact There is still a commercail terminal within the Wet Dock Ipswich, this is the Anglo Nordon Timber Warehouse which see regular sailing from the Suntis, which most be the largest regular ship to pass through the Lock Gates into the Wet Dock.. The rest of the Wet Docks is Leisure yahcts and or moorings for boats from Government Bodies such as Trinty House & Border Force. These photos were taken last Monday in early afternoon as the Suntis is leaving backing out of Wet Dock Lock Gates at High Tide. The Anglo Norden Timber Warehouse to the left, the Quay which is where I'm standing taking the photo and the Suntis is in the Lock Gate. THe Suntis is unloaded by mobile cranes and fort lift straight into the Warehouse. Long gone is any rail traffic to the Wet Dock. The only Rail Srved Terminal in Ipswich is the West Bank across the River Orwell, with it branch line south facing of the main Liverpool St Norwich GEML, so traffic is from the south.

Welll that view is taken a few years ago pre digital camera so I guess early 2000's well before any of the Malting Silo's were re developed. The glass building is is a modern front on the older brick structure and has the pillars from it industrial days now named Ashons. Here the same view last Sunday. The brick building about half way along the quay in the 1st photo is still there it the 2 concrete tower silo which have gone and been redeveloped. Think it might even still be the same boat which is aWaterfront floating resturant.

Just found this link in local paper Ipswich Star. This is 4 Collage St Ipswich but no mention of a pub in it past. https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ipswich-borough-council-waterfront-entrance-plans-2885770

On Sunday whislt walking home from work past Wet Dock, these photos show the back of Old Building between the The Mill & Winerack, this is the building with the pillars in front that has been the subject of much discussion on here. Around the back of many of the new buildings are the older Malting ans Wharfeside structure. I think the 2 concrete building are even listed, but have been negleted a bit since the finish the industrial use. Also I included a couple of ollder building just behind the Wet Dock which could feature on backsences. The Gateway is the last remaining building from Wosley College which was demolished when Henry 8th fell out with Catholic Church & Cardinal Thomas Wosley, a Ipswich lad over one his 6th wives. There's a Statue of Wosley on St Peter St near his birthplace and looking towards the docks you can see the old pub. The 2nd is an old pub which is listed and duee to become part of a Heritage Informatiom centre for the Waterfront. Just showing these older building formed part of the Wet Dock scene around St Peter Quay & Abion Wharf.

Just had a walk to top end of Wet Dock St Peter Wharf. Found this information board with older photo. Plus modern views of same area of St Peter Wharf.