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  1. Looking through my photos I came across a very poor photo of unit 220007 formed 60407, 60885 (a class 221 MS), 60707, 60307 in September 2014. How common were/are swaps between the two classes? They are obviously compatible but this is the only time I have actually seen it.
  2. My Dad remembers cattle being prepared for loading at Llandilo on the Central Wales Line in the 1930’s and 40’s. The livestock market was at the top of Blende Road, a 5 minute walk from the station. The cattle would be herded down the road and when arriving at the station all the station staff would turn out to direct the animals to the cattle pens which were at the north end of the goods yard. It was not unknown for animals to have to be chased off the mainline while this happened. The cattle were then kept in the pens overnight before being despatched the following day by rail.
  3. Second batch of images from Ivatt book
  4. Attached is information from the LMS General Appendix 1931 and Railway Management by E B Ivatts from 1885. The latter is obviously a very different era to that which many of us model and study but it does give quite an insight into how somebody saw livestock handling on the railways. Some of the things he mentions such as lime washing wagons were subsequently changed. Due to the size of the files I will use more than one post.
  5. I am trying to trace TOPS numbers allocated to the tenders of preserved steam locomotives that were/are passed for mainline running. So far I have traced two; 98999 LNER Corridor tender no 5332 (this was Flying Scotsman's extra tender and more recently ran with 60019 Bittern) The TOPS number for this I think dates from its use with 60019 where it is an independent vehicle in its own right with conventional buffing gear at both ends 38709 This is carried on Bulleid 5500 gallon tender no 3339 which has been coupled to 34016 Bodmin. The number is carried on the conventional oval yellow plate issued by RESCO when they were responsible for mainline certification of steam locos. Bulleid 6000 gallon tender no 3348 also had one of these plates (from its time with 35005 Canadian Pacific) but I don't know what number it carries. You can see the plate on the frame in this link http://www.ten.rhrp.org.uk/tens/TenderInfo.asp?Ref=267 So can anyone provide a list of these TOPS numbers for tenders and are tenders with the current mainline certified locos given TOPS numbers?
  6. RCTS History of the BR Standards Volume 3 states: 'Those sent to Old Oak Common were immediately laid aside in store, although limited use was made of 80070/98, 80131 on Paddington ECS duties before all six were transferred to Shrewsbury and Croes Newydd by November 1962' (page 57)
  7. Without wishing to drag my own post too far off topic quite a lot of the Bulleid pacifics that went to Woodhams lost their tenders in 1969. This included 34072. The tenders went to Duports steel works at Briton Ferry and Llanelli where the chassis were used as ingot carriers. As a result a number of new tenders have been built, including four by Southern Locomotives Ltd. There has also been a lot of movement between locomotives with tenders being hired to different loco owners at various times. Probably the most swapped Bulleid tender in presevation is chassis 3119 (which until recently was fitted with the 5100 gallon tank from tender 3130) which has run with several locos and is owned by the group who have 34039 Boscastle.
  8. Unfortunately there is nothing on the website about the recent moves of tenders
  9. Can anyone confirm exactly which tenders SR Battle of Britain No. 34072 257 Squadron has run with since it returned to use in 2018. I think it ran with the tender intended for 34028 to start with and now has the tender that was behind 34053. Both tenders are Bulleid 5500 gallon built by Southern Locomotives Ltd. They have numbered the tender normally with 34028 as no. 000 and that normally with 34053 no.002 but I don't think they actually carry the numbers.
  10. Definitely Swindon Works. The tender is standing at the rear of the Stock shed. The GWR, in common with some other railway companies had their own gas works at Swindon that supplied town gas to the railway works, station and the original railway village. No.3 gas holder is on the right and No. 4 gas holder is in the background. The gas works closed in 1959 but was not demolished immediately. No.5 gas holder in fact lasted until 2012 having passed to the gas board and its privatised successor. There is an article in Railway Archive No.23 about the gas works. Regarding the tender I agree with others that this is the mock up standard gauge tender built to go with North Star for the GWR centenary celebrations. Justin
  11. Hadn't thought to look at Mike Morant's pages. I agree it is a fantastic resource. 44422 had previously a light intermediate repair at Derby in November 1960 returning to traffic on 8.12.1960. Given the location and appearence I would be fairly confident the photo Mike has shows it on a running in turn after repair at Horwich in June 1963. As the vents are now behind the coal space perhaps they were moved at Horwich. An undocumented tender swap remains a possibility though the Western Region seemed to maintain their records until about September 1964 (there is a WR record card for 44422 at the National archive). Information on the LMR cards at the NRM is very patchy after 1960-61.
  12. As originally designed the LMS Fowler 3500 gallon flush riveted tenders had the air vents situated in the coal space. This caused problems with dirt and coal dust getting into the tanks and tenders built from April 1932 (which also had snap head riveted tanks) had the vents at the back outside the coal space. A program was then started to move the vents on the flush riveted tanks to the rear outside the coal space but not all tenders were dealt with. The question is when did BR stop doing this? My question particularly relates to 4F no 44422. According to the LMR loco record card this received tender 3918 on 31.12.1960 (The WR engine record card records it as 3198 on 4.11.1960, the date is probably right but I think the numbers are in the wrong order as tender 3198 didn't have a water scoop and therefore shouldn't have had air vents either). A photo on Flickr of 44422 at Templecombe on 21.6.1961 shows the vents firmly in the coal space. However by the time the loco reached Woodham Bros at Barry the vents were sited behind the coal space. The last date on the WR loco record card is 28.2.1964 and there is no mention of a tender change up to this date. The loco had a heavy general repair at Horwich between April and June 1963 but this seems a bit late for BR to be messing around moving tank vents. The other alternative is an undocumented tender swap after February 1964. I have seen a photo showing the vents behind the coal space on 44422's tender in July 1964. Has anyone got photos of 44422 immediately after it left Horwich in June 1963 as this might help.
  13. The tender currently with 48305 comprises a MR Johnston underframe that originally had a standard 3500 gallon tank (often called a Fowler tank by us enthusiasts) but now fitted with a Stanier 3500 gallon tank. The chassis and its original tank were last in departmental use at Ferme Park as a sludge carrier numbered ADM1629. Picture of it on Flickr ADM1629 was purchased by Roger Hibbert, owner of 48305 and he scrapped the tank. The Stanier 3500 gallon tank came from tender 4625. This was attached to 45593 in BR days, picture on Flickr here At the very end of their lives Jubilees 45562 and 45593 swapped tenders so that 45593 had a Stanier 4000 gallon tender (which it is now preserved with) and 45562 had tender 4625. However this was not the end of the story, 45562 was taken to the Standard Gauge Steam Trust at Tyseley for spares to be removed and the Stanier 3500 gallon tender was also retained at Tyseley. It remained there for many years until the whole tender was sold to John Bunch on the Mid Hants Railway. At the MHR the tank was removed and the chassis had a new BR1G style tank fitted, this combination now runs with Standard 5 no. 73096. The Stanier tank from 4625 was then sold on to Roger Hibbert who fitted it to the frames of ADM1629. The current number, 4648, carried by the tender is a whim of its owner and doesn't reflect the tenders true identity. As an aside the Stanier 4000 gallon tender that arrived with 48305 at Woodhams, Barry was originally sold with Std 4 4-6-0 no 75079. It was later sold again and is currently being restored for use with 8F 48173.
  14. I would like to buy one of the LMS Society's Monographs but clicking on the contact link doesn't lead me anywhere. Does anyone have an email contact for the Society Thanks Justin
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