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post-24481-0-46467800-1486377746_thumb.jpgMy Drummond boilered example arrived in the post this morning.

£78.50 incl post and packing, from Rails of Sheffield. Many thanks to them for the prompt service.

First impressions, it's up there with Hornby's best. But I suspect the radial is a little too specialised

to be a general seller, hence the bargain price.

At least there are plenty of accurate RTR  coaches for it to haul available.

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I'm a very new RMmember so must tread the floor carefully, but living as I do in an EKR village, its unsurprising that the Adams radial tank has been on my list since Wrenn featured it in their catalogue for several years, at a time before many here were into modelling!  

I waited in vain, and eventually bit the bullet years ago and bought a Ks kit now painted in black as EKR 5, and yes I've now an Oxford version in green livery also 'EKR 5'!

There's been much criticism of the Oxford's radial's  apro po the Hornby version, centring mainly on daylight under the boiler!    Well, there is daylight under Oxfords version, not a lot I know, but there has been far less comment, in fact I haven't read any, praising the Oxford's version rear buffer beam being 'properly' supported by the chassis, by comparison with images of Hornby's version with clear daylight behind the apparently unsupported rear buffer beam? 

Which is correct?  Oxfords supported beam or Hornby's apparently unsupported one, and does it matter?

 

Peter

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Having waited for 40 years for Wrenn to produce the Adams Radial illustrated in their catalogue and having been unable to complete the Ks kit I am very pleased to see anyone produce a ready to run Adams Radial whether it has got daylight under the boiler or the coal bunker or not.

 

The situation about daylight over the radial truck has just been covered in the Oxfordrail thread. On page 152 of 'A Pictorial Record of Southern Locomotives' by J.H. Russell there is a drawing of Adams Radial 60 and a photograph of a side view of Radial 30583 at Axminster. It is clear from these that there is no daylight above the Radial truck. When making a model that will go round second radius curves Hornby has overcome the problem by mounting the rear wheels on a pony truck leaving a small amount of daylight above it. I don't think that this is worth worrying about but clearly the Oxfordrail model is better in this respect.

 

What is much more important to me is how well the model will run. At the Radial trials at the first floor of the stables at Godlingston Manor, Swanage I tested a Hornby Adams Radial against two Oxfordrail Radials. On a large test track the Hornby LSWR Radial took three laps to catch up with a Southern green Oxfordrail Radial and one and a half laps to catch up with an Oxfordrail Radial. Although all three performed adequately the Hornby Radial can pull far more rolling stock than the Oxfordrail versions and runs more quietly. The LSWR Oxfordrail Radial struggled with two Hornby ex LSWR coaches but theis is more a fault of the coaches as they are the least free running of any modern coaches and I think that the brakes are catching on the wheels.

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Having waited for 40 years for Wrenn to produce the Adams Radial illustrated in their catalogue and having been unable to complete the Ks kit I am very pleased to see anyone produce a ready to run Adams Radial whether it has got daylight under the boiler or the coal bunker or not.

 

The situation about daylight over the radial truck has just been covered in the Oxfordrail thread. On page 152 of 'A Pictorial Record of Southern Locomotives' by J.H. Russell there is a drawing of Adams Radial 60 and a photograph of a side view of Radial 30583 at Axminster. It is clear from these that there is no daylight above the Radial truck. When making a model that will go round second radius curves Hornby has overcome the problem by mounting the rear wheels on a pony truck leaving a small amount of daylight above it. I don't think that this is worth worrying about but clearly the Oxfordrail model is better in this respect.

 

What is much more important to me is how well the model will run. At the Radial trials at the first floor of the stables at Godlingston Manor, Swanage I tested a Hornby Adams Radial against two Oxfordrail Radials. On a large test track the Hornby LSWR Radial took three laps to catch up with a Southern green Oxfordrail Radial and one and a half laps to catch up with an Oxfordrail Radial. Although all three performed adequately the Hornby Radial can pull far more rolling stock than the Oxfordrail versions and runs more quietly. The LSWR Oxfordrail Radial struggled with two Hornby ex LSWR coaches but theis is more a fault of the coaches as they are the least free running of any modern coaches and I think that the brakes are catching on the wheels.

Robin

 

If you are replying to my post, it would be polite to mention it, or me!   You haven't, but as it followed mine, and you've drawn comments from it, I take it in fact that you are!

 

However the topic that you airily spend time explaining in depth  . . . . 'daylight over the radial wheels ' . . . . as though it was my topic, was NOT mentioned by me at all, nor was it in fact the subject of my post!

 

If you're satisfaction derives only from performance, there are other videos of the Oxford example pulling far, far greater loads than you mention. More confusingly although in your trial you 'allow' the performance deficit by the Oxford model on the poor running of Hornby coach's, you still chose Hornby over the Oxford, hardly consistent?

 

Other Hornby radial owners however are more interested in design and have made strong criticisms here of the Oxford radial not conforming  to the prototype, my post merely draws a more serious Hornby design failing to attention.    You either don't know what I wrote or totally ignored it, you certainly didn't address it?.    

 

My topic was the 'rear buffer beam', do you know what a buffer beam is, what it's purpose is, and the need for integral support on the 'prototype' ie, the actual locomotive on which these models are supposedly based?

 

Peter

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Quote by poisonjunction in post 852: 'I'm a very new RMmember so must tread the floor carefully'.

 

I would suggest from the tone of post 854 above that poisonjunction ought perhaps to put on shoes of a far, far lighter weight...

 

Come on, bickering like that gets us nowhere!  Both models have their advantages and disadvantages and banging on endlessly about the latter in particular serves little purpose now that they have been covered thoroughly in these threads and are well established in the market - in the end it comes down to personal choice.

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Robin

 

If you are replying to my post, it would be polite to mention it, or me! You haven't, but as it followed mine, and you've drawn comments from it, I take it in fact that you are!

 

However the topic that you airily spend time explaining in depth . . . . 'daylight over the radial wheels ' . . . . as though it was my topic, was NOT mentioned by me at all, nor was it in fact the subject of my post!

 

If you're satisfaction derives only from performance, there are other videos of the Oxford example pulling far, far greater loads than you mention. More confusingly although in your trial you 'allow' the performance deficit by the Oxford model on the poor running of Hornby coach's, you still chose Hornby over the Oxford, hardly consistent?

 

Other Hornby radial owners however are more interested in design and have made strong criticisms here of the Oxford radial not conforming to the prototype, my post merely draws a more serious Hornby design failing to attention. You either don't know what I wrote or totally ignored it, you certainly didn't address it?.

 

My topic was the 'rear buffer beam', do you know what a buffer beam is, what it's purpose is, and the need for integral support on the 'prototype' ie, the actual locomotive on which these models are supposedly based?

 

Peter

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Quote by poisonjunction in post 852: 'I'm a very new RMmember so must tread the floor carefully'.

 

I would suggest from the tone of post 854 above that poisonjunction ought perhaps to put on shoes of a far, far lighter weight...

 

Come on, bickering like that gets us nowhere!  Both models have their advantages and disadvantages and banging on endlessly about the latter in particular serves little purpose now that they have been covered thoroughly in these threads and are well established in the market - in the end it comes down to personal choice.

olivegreen  . . . . try reading MY post then apologise!

 

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Robin

 

If you are replying to my post582, it would be polite to mention it, or me! You haven't, but as it followed mine, and you've drawn comments from it, I take it in fact that you are!

 

However the topic that you airily spend time explaining in depth . . . . 'daylight over the radial wheels ' . . . . as though it was my topic, was NOT mentioned by me at all, nor was it in fact the subject of my post!

 

If you're satisfaction derives only from performance, there are other videos of the Oxford example pulling far, far greater loads than you mention. More confusingly although in your trial you 'allow' the performance deficit by the Oxford model on the poor running of Hornby coach's, you still chose Hornby over the Oxford, hardly consistent?

 

Other Hornby radial owners however are more interested in design and have made strong criticisms here of the Oxford radial not conforming to the prototype, my post merely draws a more serious Hornby design failing to attention. You either don't know what I wrote or totally ignored it, you certainly didn't address it?.

 

My topic was the 'rear buffer beam', do you know what a buffer beam is, what it's purpose is, and the need for integral support on the 'prototype' ie, the actual locomotive on which these models are supposedly based?

 

Peter

 

nhy581

 

Post your message to Robin Brasher AFTER you read my post 582 properly!

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Robin

 

If you are replying to my post, it would be polite to mention it, or me! You haven't, but as it followed mine, and you've drawn comments from it, I take it in fact that you are!

 

However the topic that you airily spend time explaining in depth . . . . 'daylight over the radial wheels ' . . . . as though it was my topic, was NOT mentioned by me at all, nor was it in fact the subject of my post!

 

If you're satisfaction derives only from performance, there are other videos of the Oxford example pulling far, far greater loads than you mention. More confusingly although in your trial you 'allow' the performance deficit by the Oxford model on the poor running of Hornby coach's, you still chose Hornby over the Oxford, hardly consistent?

 

Other Hornby radial owners however are more interested in design and have made strong criticisms here of the Oxford radial not conforming to the prototype, my post merely draws a more serious Hornby design failing to attention. You either don't know what I wrote or totally ignored it, you certainly didn't address it?.

 

My topic was the 'rear buffer beam', do you know what a buffer beam is, what it's purpose is, and the need for integral support on the 'prototype' ie, the actual locomotive on which these models are supposedly based?

 

Peter

 

Post your reply to Robin Brasher AFTER your read my 582 properly!!

 

Peter

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Well, there is daylight under Oxfords version, not a lot I know, but there has been far less comment, in fact I haven't read any, praising the Oxford's version rear buffer beam being 'properly' supported by the chassis, by comparison with images of Hornby's version with clear daylight behind the apparently unsupported rear buffer beam? 

Which is correct?  Oxfords supported beam or Hornby's apparently unsupported one, and does it matter?

 

Peter

Have you a actually seen a Hornby one in the flesh?

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When I saw all the notifications for this thread I was looking forward to catching up with some great views of others locos or even some discussion about this lovely loco.

But what do I find, bloody bickering that would be better placed in the playground. Grow up please  :jester: Unless you personally designed the models under discussion and are defending them then its all just personal choice.

Both models are lovely, both probably have slight inaccuracies but at the end of the day they are far better than most of us could build and are MODELS, a representation of the real thing, not some shrunken version of the real thing because if they were you could not work them without shrunken footplate crew, coal and water. 

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Having attempted to build a Ks Adams Radial I think both the Hornby and Oxfordrail Adams Radials are excellent models and have filled in the last piece of the jigsaw in my model of the Swanage Railway. I am a member of several model railway clubs in Dorset and everyone who has seen both the Hornby and Oxfordrail versions has been full of praise for both of them. The detail of the gauges and the levers inside the cab is wonderful and is something undreamed of in the days when the motor often protruded into the cab. All I need to do now is to fit some Edwardian drivers and firemen in the cabs.

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I only looked in on this thread because I happened to see an Oxford Rail 4-4-2T yesterday, and wondered how the Hornby compared.

 

But, boy, is this entertaining!!!

 

If a buffer beam can raise this much passion, I hate to think what a comparison between domes might bring forth.

 

Anyway ....... has anyone taken one of these to bits, yet? I'm interested to know whether the side-tank moulding conceals anything vital to the function of the model.

 

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Apologies for going off topic, but is there a way to ignore some users?

 

In case you haven't found it yet, you click on your name at the top right of the screen, then click 'manage ignore prefs', and from there you can set it to ignore posts from whoever offends you. Mind you, it doesn't block content from the ignored person which other people have quoted in their own posts. 

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I only looked in on this thread because I happened to see an Oxford Rail 4-4-2T yesterday, and wondered how the Hornby compared.

 

But, boy, is this entertaining!!!

 

If a buffer beam can raise this much passion, I hate to think what a comparison between domes might bring forth.

 

Anyway ....... has anyone taken one of these to bits, yet? I'm interested to know whether the side-tank moulding conceals anything vital to the function of the model.

 

Kevin

 

I think Nile has featured both the Oxford and Hornby versions here;  http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/82968-niles-mostly-freelance-bodging-bench-back-dating-a-700/

 

Sorry I can't find the particular pages at present, but it's very informative to read through all the pages anyway. Some really good modelling involved.

 

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It should do, yes, but some people's idea of weathering is more like the kiss of death!   :dontknow:

 

Without wanting to drift too off-topic, this is my latest attempt at weathering, and first time weathering a non black loco, I kinda make it up as I go along, there aren't many photos from the early 40s for reference... But I read everything was filthy sooo.... Hopefully it isn't too much of a kiss of death. :P

 

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I only looked in on this thread because I happened to see an Oxford Rail 4-4-2T yesterday, and wondered how the Hornby compared.

 

But, boy, is this entertaining!!!

 

If a buffer beam can raise this much passion, I hate to think what a comparison between domes might bring forth.

 

Anyway ....... has anyone taken one of these to bits, yet? I'm interested to know whether the side-tank moulding conceals anything vital to the function of the model.

 

Kevin

 

I find regular running of both makes (I have two models from each manufacturer), allows the models to full to bits over time. Why, I have had steps, buffers, pipes drop off so far and now one of those tap like things on the side of a smokebox has disappeared.

 

Did it drop off before or after I vacuum cleaned the rail room? No idea, but I am gently sifting my way through all the dust of an emptied vacuum bag!

 

I hold little hope of finding it, so where can I buy some LSWR fittings and castings???? 

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I find regular running of both makes (I have two models from each manufacturer), allows the models to full to bits over time. Why, I have had steps, buffers, pipes drop off so far and now one of those tap like things on the side of a smokebox has disappeared.

 

Did it drop off before or after I vacuum cleaned the rail room? No idea, but I am gently sifting my way through all the dust of an emptied vacuum bag!

 

I hold little hope of finding it, so where can I buy some LSWR fittings and castings???? 

 

Probably the Gibson range is your best bet for odds and ends of fittings.

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I only looked in on this thread because I happened to see an Oxford Rail 4-4-2T yesterday, and wondered how the Hornby compared.

 

But, boy, is this entertaining!!!

 

If a buffer beam can raise this much passion, I hate to think what a comparison between domes might bring forth.

 

Anyway ....... has anyone taken one of these to bits, yet? I'm interested to know whether the side-tank moulding conceals anything vital to the function of the model.

 

Kevin

 

I haven't stripped one down fully but I can tell you that on the Hornby version the side tanks are integral with the boiler.

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