davknigh Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I think CP only acquired them in the 21st century, though they are an opportunity for the weatherer. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2244758 Moderators? I think we have a nominee for "Understatement of the Year". Cheers, David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) I think CP only acquired them in the 21st century, though they are an opportunity for the weatherer. http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2244758 So what was the base livery of that loco before nature took its toll Edited September 10, 2017 by jamessolomon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 So what was the base livery of that loco before nature took its toll Guilford gray & orange. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Cheers Nick on a wagon subject picked this up cheap at a Crewe heritage center show but have no idea what it is. It dosnt look boxcar to me and i have no idea on what it is but for a cheap buy its not bad needs some fixing then test weathering and maybe something else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Henriksen Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 It is a boxcar, an all-door boxcar. Some photos and info can be seen at: http://www.trainweb.org/mccloudrails/Equipment/AllDoorBoxcars.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Northern Oklahoma RR even has some in plain boxcar red https://www.flickr.com/photos/idreamawake/4271375599 As the caption says they were bulit for wood products traffic, the unusual door pattern allowed fork lift truck to access the whole of the car without going inside. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted September 24, 2017 Author Share Posted September 24, 2017 Cheers just tidied it up with sone humbrol 186 ready for some roof weathering going to loosly base the roof weeathering on this FURX pne https://flic.kr/p/M3wjYy. I may even decal it up as that one and run it in a consist with my CP locos if anyone can point me to decals or a Canadian version liveried up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 A quick weathering question what sort of grime would you expect on the truck frames and what Humbrol or Tamiya number would you recommend to paint it in. Also another thing where would I acquire another push fit truck from fix the other side to be able to run it on the layout bought it as a weathering test bed to practice on but it looks so cool so decided to fix it up and run it on the layout. I have some SP boxcars in a box I haven't run in a while although from previous info in the topic I could use them as leased in for grain alongside the cylindrical hoppers or I might swap them for CP cylindrical hoppers or some more CP boxcars or other equipment haven't decided yet alongside some Vermont liveried boxcars Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Got some questions on autoracks to consider getting one as a sort of cameo or a consist passing through as I have been collecting here and there Oxford Die-cast vintage American vehicles. 1) Have considered getting one or 2 and doing heavy weathering rusty style was this ever prototypical to run the open sided version of the era with hardly any paint tons of rust or did they scrap them before they ever got this far gone in service 2) What sort of vehicles would go well on one or 2 of these autoracks for the changeover period from maroon to action red in Canada 3) Did they ever operate these within a passenger train consist or was this a more modern concept outside my era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted November 16, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2017 As far as I know autoracks only ever operated in freight service apart from isolated examples such as AutoTrain to Florida. There was an article about the evolution of autoracks in Trains Magazine I think about a year ago but my back copies aren't accessible. at the moment. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I would agree with Jamie, the big auto racks only ever ran in freight trains, the Auto-train cars were enclosed ex-CN cars like this http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cn9501&o=cn I doubt that the open racks were ever really rusted out, as they were expensive assets used to carry high value cargo. I've seen open CP racks in the 80sthat were still in pretty good condition but very faded. This one was pictured in the 80s http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cp540150&o=cprail As to what type of automobile they would carry, because autoracks are pooled between railroads, they could carry any current model of auto for your period. All the best Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) Been to the Crewe Heritage Centre's toy and train fair today lots of nice things to buy there but didnt end up buying much. One trader lost out on a sale and they didnt want to budge on a loco but a fun day out. First purchase was this Life Like trains thrall door box car in AP Lumber Produucts scheme. If anyone can suggest how I go about changing the couplings on it Then I found this Canadian grain hopper by Bachmann with this also being a bargain it was hard not to pass it up I doubt the grain hopper or the box car are right for the era but its hard not to pass on things at low bargain prices but we shall see what else i acquire tomorrow at the Macclesfield model rail show Edited March 10, 2018 by jamessolomon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) The all door boxcar is perfect for the 70s, they were introduced in the late 60s but began to be replaced in the 80s with centerbeam flats when lumber mills started to plastic wrap their product. http://vanderheide.ca/blog/lumber-loads/ I would suggest that you cut the couplers mounts off the trucks and either glue or screw Kadees to the floor of the car The grain cars were introduced in the 70s http://tracksidetreasure.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/canadas-cylindrical-grain-cars.html Nick Edited March 10, 2018 by doctor quinn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted March 11, 2018 Author Share Posted March 11, 2018 The all door boxcar is perfect for the 70s, they were introduced in the late 60s but began to be replaced in the 80s with centerbeam flats when lumber mills started to plastic wrap their product. http://vanderheide.ca/blog/lumber-loads/ I would suggest that you cut the couplers mounts off the trucks and either glue or screw Kadees to the floor of the car 20180310_194130.jpg The grain cars were introduced in the 70s http://tracksidetreasure.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/canadas-cylindrical-grain-cars.html Nick Will give it a go when i have more gear ordered i also didn't think the hopper was 70s purely because of the scheme it was carrying thought the scheme was a later one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Been to the Crewe Heritage Centre's toy and train fair today lots of nice things to buy there but didnt end up buying much. One trader lost out on a sale and they didnt want to budge on a loco but a fun day out. Then I found this Canadian grain hopper by Bachmann with this also being a bargain it was hard not to pass it up SAM_5761.JPG I doubt the grain hopper or the box car are right for the era but its hard not to pass on things at low bargain prices but we shall see what else i acquire tomorrow at the Macclesfield model rail show The grain hopper dates from about 1981. If you really get picky, there are a couple of issues with it. First, the Bachmann models are of the 4650 cu. ft. hoppers (stepped ends) rather than the Canadian 4550 cu. ft. grain hoppers (straight ends). Second, with an ALNX reporting mark this was a CN-allocated car - the CP-allocated cars had ALPX reporting marks. Despite this, it is a nice car and accurately decorated. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 Cheers for the info Adrian on a side note is there anywhere in the UK to buy decals for these it wouldn't take much to gently remove the N's on the cylindrical hoppers for P's and change a number or 2 to reflect this I guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Tonight's short running session A shot from on end of the layout Here we see GP7 8409 posing for the camera on grain duties GP35 8205 passes through on boxcar duties FP9A 1401 passes through deadheading back the depot 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 Had to tidy up the mess this morning from last nights session so grabbed this shot FP9A 1401 emerges from the tunnel on The Canadian duties 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 Heres a confusing question iv discovered doing some research why do some sites list 1401 as a FP9A and some FP7 was it rebuilt perhaps or something iv totally missed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 CP has had two 1401s, the first was bought new and was an FP7A. It was traded to GMDD for a new GP35 in 1965. The second was an FP9A bought from VIA in 1998 and refurbished for the Royal Canadian Pacific train. Your model is an FP7 - no small louvres between the cab door and first porthole. This site is very good for CP rosters http://www.mountainrailway.com/CP%201400%20Page.htm All the best Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 A good site for Canadian freight car information is http://www.nakina.net/cdn/cdn.html. This has been put together from old editions of the ORER - the Official Register of Railroad Equipment - which is (or was: I think it's all online nowadays) a huge book listing all of the freight cars in interchange service in North America. If you look at the entry for the CP540000-540099 series, which you'll find here, you can see that they were bi-level auto-racks with an interior length of 89'1", built by National Steel Car (a big Canadian manufacturer), and that they appeared in the ORER - essentially a proxy for "were in service between" - between April 1964 and April 2003. It'd be quite cumbersome to dig out all of a fleet as large as CP's from this site, although if you want to be really hardcore you can generally get copies of the ORER on eBay or other online sources - I have a 1995 copy - and these list the entire fleet on a company-by-company basis. One thing when studying photos: the actual rack structure is always separate from the vehicle it rides on, so make sure you're looking at photos from the appropriate period because by 2003 I'd bet that an auto-rack car looked very different indeed to the way it did in 1964. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted April 12, 2018 Author Share Posted April 12, 2018 A good site for Canadian freight car information is http://www.nakina.net/cdn/cdn.html. This has been put together from old editions of the ORER - the Official Register of Railroad Equipment - which is (or was: I think it's all online nowadays) a huge book listing all of the freight cars in interchange service in North America. If you look at the entry for the CP540000-540099 series, which you'll find here, you can see that they were bi-level auto-racks with an interior length of 89'1", built by National Steel Car (a big Canadian manufacturer), and that they appeared in the ORER - essentially a proxy for "were in service between" - between April 1964 and April 2003. It'd be quite cumbersome to dig out all of a fleet as large as CP's from this site, although if you want to be really hardcore you can generally get copies of the ORER on eBay or other online sources - I have a 1995 copy - and these list the entire fleet on a company-by-company basis. One thing when studying photos: the actual rack structure is always separate from the vehicle it rides on, so make sure you're looking at photos from the appropriate period because by 2003 I'd bet that an auto-rack car looked very different indeed to the way it did in 1964. Jim Cheers for the info Nick and Jim been watching YouTube videos and its making me more and more want to put sound it 1401 as it sounds so sweet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamessolomon Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 Been trawling Ebay to see what deals are out there to expand the collection and wondered any recommendations for books to have a look at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon47603 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Hi James I heartily recommend the books by Greg McDonnell. I have a couple. Have a look for Passing Trains: The changing face of Canadian RailRoading, and Canadian Pacific: Stand Fast Craigellachie! Both are superb books. He has also published other books on Canada's Railroads. All the best Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor quinn Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 (edited) If you can fing the Rail Canada series by Don C Lewis (pub. Lauch Pad Distribution) they have superb detail on loco paint schemes. Volume 3 covers CP locos. https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11757373209&searchurl=isbn%3D0920264034%26sortby%3D17 Also check out Morning Sun's Colour Guides to Freight & Passenger Equipment If you're buying from US or Canada there's no import VAT on books (and therefore no Royal Mail handling fee) Nick Edited April 19, 2018 by doctor quinn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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