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Duplication in the overall marketplace is one thing - duplication in a very specialised, limited, and usually more expensive market is rather different and i seriously wonder if 'someone' is more likely to be damaged in consequence?

Indeed Mike. There are now no less than four models of No. 6000 (as preserved, all in the same livery, with the double chimney), two at premium museum prices and two offered at 'normal' retail prices.

 

The list:

Hattons HK15 - Early BR livery

STEAM MR2 - (with brass bell, Bristolian headboard etc) - Early BR livery

Hornby R3330 - Early BR livery

Locomotion Models - "gloss paint" - Early BR livery

 

It begs the question of how many people will want these and be willing to make a donation to the museum with their choice. There was quite a bit of contentious discussion over the STEAM version and whether Hattons would continue with the HK15 version.

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I wonder if the NRM actually own the artistic licence to the loco as preserved? If they do, they might upset the apple cart yet!

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£159 Hornby R3330 - Early BR livery, with brass axle bearings ? - Early BR livery Sprung buffers ! :-)

£169 Hattons HK15 - Early BR livery  with brass bell.

£199 STEAM - (with brass bell, Bristolian headboard etc) - Early BR livery

£??? Locomotion Models - "gloss paint" - Early BR livery

 

Ive already eliminated the Steam one from the shopping list.. what does it give me that HK15 or R3330 doesn't ? - a headboard and a green box ?

I'll take a brass bell over brass bearings.. but we'll see what the final product looks like.

 

Personally the limited editions on the face of it don't offer much extra (and in the long term limited editions always fall to base line range values, especially those that are not unique in their production runs).

If the DJM Hattons model follows the Well tank, it will have brass bearings and split chassis with gears to each axle. If......

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Personally the limited editions on the face of it don't offer much extra (and in the long term limited editions always fall to base line range values, especially those that are not unique in their production runs).

The museum commissions are essentially donations to a worthy cause - the museums.

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Last night I dug out my handful of Hornby Dublo 3 rail locos that  I've kept since childhood, including D8000.  They've been packed away and  haven't actually been run for some years. Cleaned and oiled them, cleaned up some track and put it down to test them and there was D8000 et al purring up and down.    Not bad for models that are over 50 years old.

 

Today, it's announced that Locomotion Models are going to sell an up to date model of D8000!

 

Spooky or what!     :O

 

I sense duplication approaching....

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I have got to ask the question why Locomotion have added another version of King George V as preserved. Why are two museums who exhibit locomotives from the National Collection going into competition with each other? It just does not make sense. My order with Steam for King George V stands, as will my order with Locomotion for the Stirling Simgle. However I am extremely disappointed with Locomotion over this development and Simon Kohler's reputation has taken a dip in my estimation.

 

I feel badly let down by Locomotion and the NRM as I have bought a number of their limited editions over the last few years produced by a number of manufactures. I do hope that Simon Kohler will not misuse his position to promote Hornby's interests at the expense of the other manufacturers who have supported the the NRM thus far.

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I wonder if the NRM actually own the artistic licence to the loco as preserved? If they do, they might upset the apple cart yet!

What? Are British Railways going to sue them then? ;)

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I wonder if the NRM actually own the artistic licence to the loco as preserved? If they do, they might upset the apple cart yet!

As it's part of the National Collection presumably they own the actual loco....

 

And it's at York at the moment, possession being 9/10ths etc. (and it does look very impressive..)

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The class 20 as D8000 looks interesting. I await announcement of a price with interest. A Hornby Dublo D8000 was the second model diesel I ever owned (along with a Metrovick Co-Bo class 28) so it holds fond memories. My original D8000 (bought secondhand in the early 1980s in case anyone wrongly thinks I'm old enough to have had one from new) still exists in a display cabinet chez parents.

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As it's part of the National Collection presumably they own the actual loco....

 

And it's at York at the moment, possession being 9/10ths etc. (and it does look very impressive..)

I can vouch for that.

 

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The class 20 as D8000 looks interesting. I await announcement of a price with interest. A Hornby Dublo D8000 was the second model diesel I ever owned (along with a Metrovick Co-Bo class 28) so it holds fond memories. My original D8000 (bought secondhand in the early 1980s in case anyone wrongly thinks I'm old enough to have had one from new) still exists in a display cabinet chez parents.

I'm afraid, Jenny, that my H-D D8000 was new when it was a birthday present from my granny. (Self deprecating but true comment). Said it was an old model!  However, I was very impressed by how well it performed when I ran it last night for the first time for years. Glad I kept it really.

 

I have a vague feeling that Bachmann have done D8000 before? Though perhaps not in the original condition with the ladder? And Model Rail did an article on how to backdate it?

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I wonder if the NRM actually own the artistic licence to the loco as preserved? If they do, they might upset the apple cart yet!

 

There is no such thing to own...

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The first will be a limited production run by Bachmann of 500 English Electric BR Class 20 No. D8000 locomotive, produced in the early BR green livery and with exWorks gloss finish. Of the 500 produced 150 will be made available with Sound for those who enjoy the authentic sounds of the railway.

The class 20 as D8000 looks interesting. I await announcement of a price with interest.

It's interesting that the D8000 is being released at the same time that in addition to four variants in their normal range, Bachmann is also exercising the Class 20 tooling for their Collectors' Club.

 

We have the OO scale Class 20 No. 20172 ‘Redmire’ available in either DCC Ready format (32-035K) or with DCC Sound fitted (32-035KDS), both of which will be in stock in July. - See more at: http://Bachmann-collectorsclub.co.uk/news/news-newclubmodels/#sthash.0jwASrqD.dpuf

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Hornby Magazine did a limited edition pair of D8000 & D8001 (Bachmann).

It has been done twice before - once as a standard release, and then again as the twin pack. I had the former and sold it when the latter was released!

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OK, as someone who normally comes out in hives at the mere mention of a copper kettle, just which model of KGV is most appropriate for it's main line condition in 1975?  Only I might be persuaded to buy one seeing as my first ever main line steam was KGV from Hereford to Chester in April 1975 on "The Mayflower" but I'm more than a bit confused over the possible multiple versions coming out.  The GWR and successors is not one of my core subjects!

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OK, as someone who normally comes out in hives at the mere mention of a copper kettle, just which model of KGV is most appropriate for it's main line condition in 1975?  Only I might be persuaded to buy one seeing as my first ever main line steam was KGV from Hereford to Chester in April 1975 on "The Mayflower" but I'm more than a bit confused over the possible multiple versions coming out.  The GWR and successors is not one of my core subjects!

Simple answer is 'any of those listed in Post No. 28 above' - you pays your money and you takes your choice.  (The key recognition feature for the engine in its preservation career is that it has the final pattern of double chimney with the earlier pattern of BR emblem and it also has parallel buffer housings on the engine).

 

As far as I can traces from reliably dated photos it never ran in that condition while in service because by 1959 it had the later pattern of double chimney, and obviously the later crest, but still had its original taper buffer housings on the engine.  Regrettably what I can't date is when the original double chimney, fitted in 1956, was changed for the later, cast, pattern but I doubt it preceded the appearance of the later pattern emblem on the tender.

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I want 6000 in the condition it ran on the Baltimore and Ohio.

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I want 6000 in the condition it ran on the Baltimore and Ohio.

Before or after the modification to the bogie springs? :prankster:

 

Mike Wiltshire

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Interesting that we now have two major (in one case 'national') railway museums marketing under their own brands models of the same National Collection engine.  Interesting too that the NRM seem to be at last prepared to trust a model in their 'National Collection in Miniature' brand to one of Hornby parentage - an interesting step forward.  As is the reported quantity which represents a major step change in numbers for a Hornby commission; will they now be taking on wider commission orders for fewer than batches of 1,000 models I wonder?  Maybe the reduction in number shows just how keen they were to finally get into the NRM range?

 

So lots of interesting questions, and departures from past policy, in this particular announcement.

 

Hornby have (to my reckoning) produced four prior NRM exclusives, the last three of which may reasonably be considered part of the 'NCIM' brand. I refer to the two versions of Scotsman (R3079 and R3080, I think) and the version of Hamilton in streamlined form (can't remember R-number). At least one of these is still listed on the Locomotion website under the 'NCIM' section. Bear in mind that the 'NCIM' brand was a bit ill-defined until fairly recently, it certainly didn't have it's own logo or artwork.

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It's interesting that the D8000 is being released at the same time that in addition to four variants in their normal range, Bachmann is also exercising the Class 20 tooling for their Collectors' Club.

 

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It has been done twice before - once as a standard release, and then again as the twin pack. I had the former and sold it when the latter was released!

This limited edition run tag is totally pointless now. Falcon, D8000, 66522, 97201...

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This limited edition run tag is totally pointless now. Falcon, D8000, 66522, 97201...

Without wanting to get into a full blown debate, I don't think it is totally pointless - most of those you list had differences in edition, eg weathered / pristine / gloss / satin / livery changes etc

 

I can't remember well enough, but I don't think there was much different between the two D8000 editions. This one clearly differentiates as it is gloss, which will be to some people's taste and not others...

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Hornby have (to my reckoning) produced four prior NRM exclusives, the last three of which may reasonably be considered part of the 'NCIM' brand. I refer to the two versions of Scotsman (R3079 and R3080, I think) and the version of Hamilton in streamlined form (can't remember R-number). At least one of these is still listed on the Locomotion website under the 'NCIM' section. Bear in mind that the 'NCIM' brand was a bit ill-defined until fairly recently, it certainly didn't have it's own logo or artwork.

If you look at their advert that is not the case.  There are and have been Hornby Exclusive models from the NRM but they have never had anything sold out of Shildon under the NCIM brand, all models thus branded so far have been made by Bachmann with Rapido's first rapidly approaching.

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