mikemeg Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Mrkirtley800 said: Hello Mike, on the subject of ex NER tank engines, here is a scratch built class U in EM gauge. I built it for a friend over thirty years ago, painted and lined by Steve Barnfield. It ran like a Swiss watch but my friend decided he didn’t want it, so I kept it and so glad I did. It was a very popular engine with my co -operators on Kirkby Malham mk 1, a small layout I used to hawk around the shows. mainly in the north and midlands. The pic is of it on my old Canal Road layout, now partially scrapped Two more pics on Canal Road The tracks to the right of the signal signal and telegraph post in the middle picture are my youngest sons 00, the ones to the left, my EM. Derek Hi Derek, Many thanks for this posting. The NER Class U looks a lovely model and the photos of Canal Road really do express the essence of the old North Eastern Railway very well. Regards Mike 11 hours ago, Mrkirtley800 said: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, mikemeg said: the photos of Canal Road really do express the essence of the old North Eastern Railway very well. ! Derek, I hope you haven't choked on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 17 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: ! Derek, I hope you haven't choked on that. Or, perhaps, the old Midland Railway; looking more closely at the signal and signal box! Apologies for the error but still a great looking layout! Cheers Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrkirtley800 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Sorry Mike, I am a dyed in the wool Midland man. However, all my layouts have been based in the Yorkshire Dales, the stamping ground of both Midland and NER. Derek 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted February 16, 2021 Author Share Posted February 16, 2021 20 minutes ago, Mrkirtley800 said: Sorry Mike, I am a dyed in the wool Midland man. However, all my layouts have been based in the Yorkshire Dales, the stamping ground of both Midland and NER. Derek Hi Derek, Best of several worlds! Ilkley always appealed as a model location for the same reason. Have to say, the combination of Midland Red and Saxony Green liveries would have been hard to resist. Cheers MIke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebbles Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Not this topic, but the NER tender issue. I'm sure that Arthur will have some news for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted February 19, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Pebbles said: Not this topic, but the NER tender issue. I'm sure that Arthur will have some news for you. Is that a drawing of the LNER top on the NER frames? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebbles Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 13 hours ago, Blandford1969 said: Is that a drawing of the LNER top on the NER frames? No not the specific case. Isinglass Drawing No 404 deals with the GCR rebuilt tenders, the tanks were designed at Darlington in 1946 - Drawing 16964 - signed off by Peppercorn. The quoted external dimensional are the same as a NER 4125 gal tender making them suitable for the NER 3940 gal frames. Photographic would appear to confirm that replacement tanks to this design were used for the NER 3940 gal rebuilds. So stick the GCR rebuilt tender onto a 3940 gal underframe and there you have it. Were the tanks new or recycled? in 1946 there were steel shortages. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) The Isinglass Drawing No 404, showing the tank fitted to the GCR tenders, shows the overall dimensions to be the same as those of the NER 4125 gallon tank. However, the front curves on the tender coping plates of this GCR tender replacement are noticeably different in profile to the front curves of the tender shown in the photo below, so not a direct match. Thanks to Arthur, we have now identified and located the actual LNER drawing for these D20 tender rebuilds residing in the NRM archives. This drawing is a different date and number from No 16964, referenced above, and appears to precede it. So, once a copy of this drawing is sourced, then this should answer most of the questions and should allow a 4 mm drawing and model to be made. I did check the footplate width of the D20 locomotive, which is 8' 0". If I enlarge the photo of 62343, shown below, it appears that the tender drag beam is slightly wider than the loco footplate, which would suggest that the tender drag beam and footplate may have been 8' 6"; we shall see! Thanks also to 'Pebbles' who has provided much valuable input. Cheers Mike Edited February 28, 2021 by mikemeg 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebbles Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Mike thank you for your comment, you are more than welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted February 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2021 Quite a few of us will be very interested to see a 4mm drawing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 1, 2021 Author Share Posted March 1, 2021 16 hours ago, Blandford1969 said: Quite a few of us will be very interested to see a 4mm drawing. Is this a commercial opportunity? Perhaps another organisation selling 4 mm drawings; 'Wineinglass' perhaps. Thanks and regards MIke 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Densham Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 On 28/02/2021 at 11:19, mikemeg said: The Isinglass Drawing No 404, showing the tank fitted to the GCR tenders, shows the overall dimensions to be the same as those of the NER 4125 gallon tank. However, the front curves on the tender coping plates of this GCR tender replacement are noticeably different in profile to the front curves of the tender shown in the photo below, so not a direct match. Thanks to Arthur, we have now identified and located the actual LNER drawing for these D20 tender rebuilds residing in the NRM archives. This drawing is a different date and number from No 16964, referenced above, and appears to precede it. So, once a copy of this drawing is sourced, then this should answer most of the questions and should allow a 4 mm drawing and model to be made. I did check the footplate width of the D20 locomotive, which is 8' 0". If I enlarge the photo of 62343, shown below, it appears that the tender drag beam is slightly wider than the loco footplate, which would suggest that the tender drag beam and footplate may have been 8' 6"; we shall see! Thanks also to 'Pebbles' who has provided much valuable input. Cheers Mike Great photograph! A question not to do with the locomotive but the general scene. The huge pile on the left hand side, is that coal? If so, for the loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) Chris, That huge pile on the photo! I'm not sure where this photo was taken, nor when. Certainly, in mid 1950 this loco was allocated to 50D - Starbeck in Harrogate and was one of eight D20's allocated there at this time, along with twelve D49's and thirteen J39's. That said, this photo seems to show the loco carrying a 50C - Selby - shedplate; so was the photo taken in Selby shed or anywhere else that this loco may have got to, at that time? At this time, mid 1950, Starbeck's total allocation was some forty five locomotives. I only have very scant records of the layout of this shed, at this time (mid 1950), so cannot elicit whether the shed had a mechanical coaler or the older North Eastern coaling stage. Selby did have a mechanical coaler. In both cases it's reasonable to assume that loco coal would arrive and be stored in dedicated loco coal wagons. If the photo were taken in either Selby or Starbeck, my guess would be that the visible pile wasn't loco coal, just piled up alongside one of the shed roads. My guess would be that was an accumulation of ash, clinker and muck, rather than loco coal. I've seen photographs taken in Selby shed (50C) and a number of other ex North Eastern sheds, around this time, and great piles of muck, ash, clinker seem to be quite common. If nothing else, the photo illustrates one of the problems associated with running and servicing steam locos, much as we loved them; they generated loads of muck!! Regards Mike Edited March 3, 2021 by mikemeg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) I'm approaching the end of my 'tender fest' with the completion of six of them. So, not a lot to post re their construction as they're pretty well all the same. So another old photo - home while the sun's still up - of one of the A6's; this one just before its withdrawal. The loco is weathered to represent the state in which it might have appeared at withdrawal but the sun (and that is natural light) makes it appear a little cleaner. The photo was actually lit by reflecting the sunlight back onto the railway, at a very low angle, with a big old mirror to simulate the late evening long shadows. Kind of appropriate!! Cheers Mike Edited March 4, 2021 by mikemeg 17 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 3, 2021 Author Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) Or perhaps this one - Big tanks on the up slow line. I never saw any of these big ex North Eastern tanks, in my loco spotting days, so this is the nearest I can get to 'living those days'. Cheers Mike Edited March 10, 2021 by mikemeg 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Densham Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 7 hours ago, mikemeg said: Chris, That huge pile on the photo! I'm not sure where this photo was taken, nor when. Certainly, in mid 1950 this loco was allocated to 50D - Starbeck in Harrogate and was one of eight D20's allocated there at this time, along with twelve D49's and thirteen J39's. That said, this photo seems to show the loco carrying a 50C - Selby - shedplate; so was the photo taken in Selby shed or anywhere else that this loco may have got to, at that time? At this time, mid 1950, Starbeck's total allocation was some forty five locomotives. I only have very scant records of the layout of this shed, at this time (mid 1950), so cannot elicit whether the shed had a mechanical coaler or the older North Eastern coaling stage. Selby did have a mechanical coaler. In both cases it's reasonable to assume that loco coal would arrive and be stored in dedicated loco coal wagons. If the photo were taken in either Selby or Starbeck, my guess would be that the visible pile wasn't loco coal, just piled up alongside one of the shed roads. My guess would be that was an accumulation of ash, clinker and muck, rather than loco coal. I've seen photographs taken in Selby shed (50C) and a number of other ex North Eastern sheds, around this time, and great piles of muck, ash, clinker seem to be quite common. If nothing else, the photo illustrates one of the problems associated with running and servicing steam locos, much as we loved them; they generated loads of muck!! Regards Mike Thanks Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon4470 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 10 hours ago, mikemeg said: Chris, At this time, mid 1950, Starbeck's total allocation was some forty five locomotives. I only have very scant records of the layout of this shed, at this time (mid 1950), so cannot elicit whether the shed had a mechanical coaler or the older North Eastern coaling stage. Selby did have a mechanical coaler. In both cases it's reasonable to assume that loco coal would arrive and be stored in dedicated loco coal wagons. Hello Mike That comment about coal facilities at Starbucks got me thinking - because I couldn’t remember any reference to them. So I had a quick rummage around my books and found this quote “..and tipping coal hoisted on to the tenders by a steam crane, which was of considerable age, but remained in use until closure of the depot”. The quote was from a Starbeck locoman who started there in 1938. The quote is in Railways around Harrogate Volume 3. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micknich2003 Posted March 3, 2021 Share Posted March 3, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, mikemeg said: I'm approaching the end of my 'tender fest' with the completion of six of them. So, not a lot to post re their construction as they're pretty well all the same. So another old photo - home while the sun's still up - of one of the A6's; this one just before its withdrawal. The loco is weathered to represent the state in which it might have appeared at withdrawal but the sun (and that is natural light) makes it appear a little cleaner. Cheers Mike Edited March 3, 2021 by micknich2003 Mike, obviously a trick of the light or an optical illusion, the leading wheel of the front bogie appears to be flngless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, micknich2003 said: Mick, Certainly looks like it is flangeless; though the front bogie wheels do have flanges. It is just a trick of the light. I've now just about finished 'restoring' the railway after its storage in the garage, so next time I set up the big tanks on the up slow, there'll be a few more. Cheers Mike Edited March 4, 2021 by mikemeg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) Most of my photo collection consists of black and white copies, many courtesy of Mick Nicholson. Colour photographs from the days of steam are comparatively rare, except for the last few years. So this photo, from 1955, is just that; something of a rarity. I'm also puzzled as to the type of train which this D20 is pulling into York, given the lamping. Perhaps Mick, from whose collection this is posted, could help with identifying what type of train this might be. Cheers Mike Edited March 7, 2021 by mikemeg 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Maybe one lamp 'fell off'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted March 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 03/03/2021 at 12:08, mikemeg said: I'm approaching the end of my 'tender fest' with the completion of six of them. So, not a lot to post re their construction as they're pretty well all the same. So another old photo - home while the sun's still up - of one of the A6's; this one just before its withdrawal. The loco is weathered to represent the state in which it might have appeared at withdrawal but the sun (and that is natural light) makes it appear a little cleaner. The photo was actually lit by reflecting the sunlight back onto the railway, at a very low angle, with a big old mirror to simulate the late evening long shadows. Kind of appropriate!! Cheers Mike That's a very effective and interesting technique Mike; I really struggle with lighting of photos and tend to resort to the garden and outside daylight, so I'l have to try this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 On 04/03/2021 at 09:54, mikemeg said: Certainly looks like it is flangeless; though the front bogie wheels do have flanges. It is just a trick of the light. ...or just hidden behind the valance? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemeg Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Chas Levin said: That's a very effective and interesting technique Mike; I really struggle with lighting of photos and tend to resort to the garden and outside daylight, so I'l have to try this. Chas, The technique was almost dictated by and discovered by accident, by the characteristics of my previous railway room in that it had a velux window which was 'in the wrong place' for using the sunlight, other than at midday, when the sun was at its height and when the shadows were at their shortest. Stored in a corner of said railway room was an old mirror, one of those full length 'lean to' mirrors. I'd tried lighting the photo subjects with daylight lamps which was quite effective but limited in scope. Anyway, I leaned the mirror against a wall lengthways, adjusted the pitch of the lean and bingo, a sheet of reflected light around six foot long and four feet wide and it's real sunlight. Cheers Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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