Mr chapman Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Ok, I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this but did southern region EMU's ever carry any tail traffic? I've seen DMU's with a van on the back so wondered if this ever happened down south. I'm not including coaches used to bolster sets between units. Just odd vehicles attached to the back Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 ....those single car parcels/baggage power cars would be a reasonable bet if it happened. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2015 think it would've been unlikely, given most freight/parcels stock was vacuum braked and the EMUs air braked. the advantage of the DMUs was that any stock could be fully braked, any restrictions were down to the power of the DMU and the topography of the line. that said, if it was an electric unit hauling a single van i don't know if it would be allowed for the van to be a 'swinger' i.e. unbraked as dave said above, the MLVs had a vacuum brake so could be used to haul stock fitted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Excluding MLV's.............unheard of in my experience Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 I thought as much. Just thought it could be something different to model. The MLV's have been know to tow a BG, even shunt around docks. Heyho If someone does find an odd picture give me a shout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Yes you're going to need one of these ........................ http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/43586/OO71-003-DJ-Models-Class-71-Electric-Locomotive-number-71-009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Way ahead of you Nuts to Hornby! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 think it would've been unlikely, given most freight/parcels stock was vacuum braked and the EMUs air braked. the advantage of the DMUs was that any stock could be fully braked, any restrictions were down to the power of the DMU and the topography of the line. that said, if it was an electric unit hauling a single van i don't know if it would be allowed for the van to be a 'swinger' i.e. unbraked as dave said above, the MLVs had a vacuum brake so could be used to haul stock fitted think it would've been unlikely, given most freight/parcels stock was vacuum braked and the EMUs air braked. the advantage of the DMUs was that any stock could be fully braked, any restrictions were down to the power of the DMU and the topography of the line. that said, if it was an electric unit hauling a single van i don't know if it would be allowed for the van to be a 'swinger' i.e. unbraked as dave said above, the MLVs had a vacuum brake so could be used to haul stock fitted think it would've been unlikely, given most freight/parcels stock was vacuum braked and the EMUs air braked. the advantage of the DMUs was that any stock could be fully braked, any restrictions were down to the power of the DMU and the topography of the line. that said, if it was an electric unit hauling a single van i don't know if it would be allowed for the van to be a 'swinger' i.e. unbraked as dave said above, the MLVs had a vacuum brake so could be used to haul stock fitted DMU tail traffic had to be Vacuum braked, unfitted wagons weren't allowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted July 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2015 Is this what you had in mind? https://www.flickr.com/photos/16313630@N07/5557067522/in/set-72157626342074608 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted July 16, 2015 Author Share Posted July 16, 2015 Is this what you had in mind? https://www.flickr.com/photos/16313630@N07/5557067522/in/set-72157626342074608 Yea that sort of thing but a 2BIL/HAL/HAP/EPB etc. Just curious if a van or tanker ever got attached to the rear on a electrified branch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrel Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Don't know about the southern region but it never happened in Scotland with one exception. Early 1990s when 303048 was “preserved“ there was a driving trailer from 303063 kept to keep spare parts in. The problem was it was at shields road depot and we wanted it at Yoker depot.SO the extra trailer coach was coupled to 303048 and dragged to Yoker depot. This was the first 4 coach class 303 movement in 30 years. The previous time there was a 4 car 303 was in 1960 when the 303s had to be taken out of service for transformer faults. The motor cars were taken down to east didsbury for modifications then went on test runs. They were marshalled between two driver trailers one pantograph raised and a test run done then the other one raised and the first one dropped for a second test run. After that both were raised and a final run back to east didsbury yard. The run with both motor coaches was very lively apparently. I have not seen any photos of these test runs but if anyone out there has any I would be very interested in seeing them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2015 Is this what you had in mind? https://www.flickr.com/photos/16313630@N07/5557067522/in/set-72157626342074608 IIRC, there were some BR standard GUVs through wired with MU and piped for use within EMU formations. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2015 IIRC, there were some BR standard GUVs through wired with MU and piped for use within EMU formations. Cheers, Mick TLVs. I can't quote numbers, but there were a handful of BGs converted to run in boat train formations, conveying Registered Baggage. They were equipped with jumpers and through electrical connections. They only worked with MLVs, so never with an EMU on its own. The only other occasions when odd vehicles might have been EMU-hauled would have been in the inter-depot workings on CM&EE trips, where unconventional lashups might be used to move a vehicle. I cannot recall anything other than EMU stock on these, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 IIRC, there were some BR standard GUVs through wired with MU and piped for use within EMU formations. I knew there were a couple of BR Mk.1 catering vehicles through wired for EMU working, but never knew of any GUV vans. . There were several BG vans stripped, refurbished and wired for use with the MLVs - they were TLV's (Trailer Luggage Vans). . The TLV's had an unhappy few years, allegedly being "blacked" by the unions, and were withdrawn and converted to departmental use e.g. BTU vans. . http://www.bloodandcustard.com/tlv001.html . Tha above link / webpage contains the following passage which may be of interest :- ".... The TLVs went into service from February 1968 and were used mainly (as intended) on Boat Trains. However, they did see limited other use on parcels and mail trains, principally in the Christmas periods when many extra mails services were run and the TLVs ran coupled to MLVs or 2 HAP units....." There were two WR GUV vans ( W86174 and W86572 ) wired for DMU working circa 1969-1970 and allocated to Marsh Junction, Bristol - they ran between a pair of Cl.116 power cars DMBS W51137 & DMS W51150 (seats removed) on a nightly Temple Meads - Hayes and return working carrying parcels and mail to/from Heathrow Airport. . The vans were branded "Railair Express Parcels". . When the set was disbanded they gravitated to the London area where they ran with the DPU cars and other Cl.116 cars modified for parcels traffic. . By then the three letters "air" had been painted over, and the GUV vans read "Rail___ Express Parcels" . http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50613 Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Not much use for you, but it was common in Switzerland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted July 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2015 Seen 4 coach EMUs pulling 8 coaches behind them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Wasn't there a parcels working on the SE section at one point that consisted of 4-CEP+73/0+vacuum braked vans? The whole thing being driven from the EMU, with the 73/0 providing the vacuum braking for the vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Next nearest thing, from 1985, the High Speed Track Recording Coach 999550 between two departmental ex- 2-HAP units. Strood (bottom of Sole Street bank). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted July 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2015 Except on postal/parcels workings (and the Southern Region frequently dumped mailsacks on passenger seats), hanging a van on an EMU rather negates the purpose of an electrified railway with EMUs, i.e. a rapid turnround at each terminating point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbishop Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The SR used EMUs to shunt vans at Portsmouth Town station. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted July 17, 2015 Author Share Posted July 17, 2015 A TLV on a 2HAP, that's perfect And EMU shunting? Amazing what turns up ! Any photos of that knocking about? Thanks guys. This is fascinating. I honestly thought that it would be a no, never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted July 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2015 The North Eastern's Tyneside electric system had Motor Parcels Vans. At peak periods they were used to 'top and tail' passenger trains made up of sets of ordinary coaches fitted with through control jumper cables. I wondered whether they pulled parcels vans when being used in parcels service but can't find any reference to this, so presume they ran singly when being used for parcels traffic. Edit: Just found a picture of the LNER-built Motor Parcels Van No. 2424 towing an ex North Eastern six wheeled van (looks like a Passenger Brake Van) at Tynemouth in RCTS Locos of the LNER Vol 10B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I've seen a 1955 photo of MLV E68000 pulling a rake of 10ft wagons and a brake van through Redhill. Train was described as a test train. Porcy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Aside from the previously mentioned TLVs, which I think do count as a tail load, surely the TC sets also count as a 'tail load', even when being propelled. A 4 REP (or the odd-man-out 8VAB) could pull or propel one or two TC sets, which had driver's controls but were unpowered. Those may well be outside of Mr Chapman's parameters in his original post, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Whilst not electric, the Southern attached the odd one or the wagons to local loco hauled services. Mainly vans, but I have seen a container in a medfit. MLV plus BG for the mails from Ashford to Ramsgate via CU. MLV plus bogie GUV from Faversham to Dover. MLV plus TTA out of Dover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.