Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 Deal signed off today for AT300s so bye bye HSTs from Dec 2018. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Presumably they will fail sometimes just like the current HSTs so what happens when coaching stock is required. Or are they not fixed sets? Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted July 30, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2015 Deal signed off today for AT300s so bye bye HSTs from Dec 2018. It's a shame that the HST's will go, however we do need to be pleased that there will be some new stock heading this way, not the hand me downs that have been seen so frequently. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The old stock is generally more comfortable and better designed. I've heard the voyagers are a little cramped. I can't see the advantage of new trains unless they have tilting capabilities to cope with the many curves in Cornwall to reduce journey times. Nothing wrong with HST's, they have lead the way for years and are a tough act to beat. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted July 30, 2015 Author Share Posted July 30, 2015 I have to agree. The interiors of the 300s are being designed by the same company that did the voyagers. I believe there is an artist's impression of the seat design already on Fliker and I'm not happy! I understand that TOCs get away with poor interiors because nobody actually complains in writing....! There was a recent article in a railway magazine from a designer stating so......! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2015 The old stock is generally more comfortable and better designed. I've heard the voyagers are a little cramped. I can't see the advantage of new trains unless they have tilting capabilities to cope with the many curves in Cornwall to reduce journey times. Nothing wrong with HST's, they have lead the way for years and are a tough act to beat. They were also Made in Britain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Well, we will have to enjoy them while we can. I assume the loco hauled sleepers will continue though? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 They were also Made in Britain. Aren't the new ones going to be built here too? Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Are these the new trains that will reduce the time by 14 min's between Paddington & Penzance?If so, I seem to recall hearing on the local (spotlight) news that they will be able to carry 25% more passengers per coach, which are, apparently a 'little' longer. Or is my hearing getting worse. Edited July 31, 2015 by Penlan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I think the carriages are shorter on the new trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2015 Aren't the new ones going to be built here too? Ed 'Assembled' here IIRC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I understood that they were longer which would cause problems with the curved platforms at Temple Meads. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Having seen some info online, the Mk3 coaches are 23 meters long and the AT300's are 20 meters. However this could well be incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 From Hitachi's own site:- http://www.hitachirail-eu.com/at300---intercity-high-speed_153.html gives the vehicle length as 26m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 'Assembled' here IIRC Not that different to anyone else in practice though - an Electrostar has a multitude of components on, in and under it that weren't made by Bombardier in Derby. In terms of whether it has more or less "British-ness" than that - it would be where the components come from, and I don't believe that most bits will come from Japan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2015 I understood that they were longer which would cause problems with the curved platforms at Temple Meads. Ed Among more than a few other places on the Western network - starting at Paddington which it's all too easy to overlook also has some curved platforms. Presumably they will fail sometimes just like the current HSTs so what happens when coaching stock is required. Or are they not fixed sets? Brian. As they're Japanese they probably won't fail. However it is going to be 'interesting' if they lose an engine for some reason - so no doubt a whole new set of Instructions regarding assistance on South Devon banks with X number of engines out (and possibly elsewhere as well?). And taht will also mean having available locos capable of coupling to the units - could be interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2015 Among more than a few other places on the Western network - starting at Paddington which it's all too easy to overlook also has some curved platforms. As they're Japanese they probably won't fail. However it is going to be 'interesting' if they lose an engine for some reason - so no doubt a whole new set of Instructions regarding assistance on South Devon banks with X number of engines out (and possibly elsewhere as well?). And taht will also mean having available locos capable of coupling to the units - could be interesting Actually, we'll probably end up doing something similar to what is now done for Voyagers, which apparently habitually run around with one engine out of 4 or 5 isolated, and which doesn't make any difference to performance. I also believe the new coaches to be longer than HSTs. Given the investment in the sleepers, I believe that this will continue as a loco-hauled service once the new trains are introduced. The fact that they are being designed by the same person who designed the interior of the Voyagers will understandably bring about some wailing and gnashing of teeth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 They are going to be less powerful than a Voyager though.Did that person spec the seat spacing, as that's probably the most unhelpful feature... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2015 at Saltash, where some know-it-all was pontificating about the bridge. Who is the know-it-all talking to Michael Portillo? I know it's not me, because I did my pontificating on 12th July! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Mike, when you said "lose an engine" I thought you meant it would fall off, which I believe was not unknown on some earlier dmu's. Ed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 31, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2015 Mike, when you said "lose an engine" I thought you meant it would fall off, which I believe was not unknown on some earlier dmu's. Ed I understand that it was not unknown on certain 'second generation' 15X dmus either Ed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Vehicles are longer and a 9 car set is too long for our sidings..... ! Built in Japan. The benefit is that they are bi modal so electric power out of London. It's 57s until at least 2020 for the Night Riviera. Going back to tent now ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggyman Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Hi Went out with my son yesterday to take a couple of pics of the 57 & sleeper stock...... Pictures taken from Cooks Kitchen bridge....... Also took a video......Not tried this before but hopefully the link will work..... https://youtu.be/_JaQCrPJ0T4 Had a bit of a drive around looking for suitable photo spots & came across the old cement terminal at Chacewater? station..... Now a storage facility.... Did give me a layout idea with the whole thing being on a curve..... Cheers Bill 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 First artist's impression of refurbished Night Riviera day coach interior can be seen on Flikr if you search GWR Seating and date uploaded. Can't link it.... As I feared, less tables and not reclining. Due November. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 If the sidings at Long Rock are not long enough you will have to the Peco track out ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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