royaloak Posted August 27, 2018 Share Posted August 27, 2018 Poor souls, this is one brilliant model!. hope it's not financial reasons for them. Mike It is their loss, I ummed and ahhed but eventually plumped for a 10202 when one was made available after they were originally sold out (I dont like number 1s and didnt want a green one) and it is a brilliant model, now waiting for payday so I can order a D600. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 And with both sound fitted, that lovely site will set someone back roughly £600 in locos alone but it would indeed look very impressive on a suitably large layout with inclines and rake of 12/15 behind. *Swoon!* Is that what I paid for 10201 & 10202 with sound? It goes to show that it never feels so bad when I order them one at a time and put the money aside, then install sound one at a time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 *Swoon!* Is that what I paid for 10201 & 10202 with sound? It goes to show that it never feels so bad when I order them one at a time and put the money aside, then install sound one at a time! I do the same thing, except I order locos faster than I can fit sound in them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I do the same thing, except I order locos faster than I can fit sound in them! So do I! A year ago, I decided to install sound at the rate of one a month. Even then, I would probably be losing ground. However, such is the rate of desirable new stuff that I can’t even keep to one a month. 10203 is silent so far. What am I supposed to do when H2s and H1s appear, not to mention 87s and more 68s? I know – be more selective. I am selective. Things I would have jumped at a few years ago now go into the “Decided Not To Get” list. I am going to have to be even more selective. The layout will remain switchable between DC and DCC, probably as long as I last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 So do I! A year ago, I decided to install sound at the rate of one a month. Even then, I would probably be losing ground. However, such is the rate of desirable new stuff that I can’t even keep to one a month. 10203 is silent so far. What am I supposed to do when H2s and H1s appear, not to mention 87s and more 68s? I know – be more selective. I am selective. Things I would have jumped at a few years ago now go into the “Decided Not To Get” list. I am going to have to be even more selective. The layout will remain switchable between DC and DCC, probably as long as I last. My thoughts are the same although maybe I became more selective faster than you did as I skipped the 87 and 68. That still gives me 15 locos this year. Next year will be less though unless there are further announcements between here and next march of Southern related items or a WD item or a class 89.... Back OT - Kernow have only 10203 in black left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted September 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2018 Apparently I've just bought the last green 10203. They put it on Farcebook whilst I was looking. Better find something to put on ebay to fund it 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 20, 2018 Share Posted September 20, 2018 My thoughts are the same although maybe I became more selective faster than you did as I skipped the 87 and 68. That still gives me 15 locos this year. Next year will be less though unless there are further announcements between here and next march of Southern related items or a WD item or a class 89.... Back OT - Kernow have only 10203 in black left. When something appeals to me, I surrender far too quickly to temptation. Even if the 68s were not quite perfect, they were still fantastic models and I have no regrets about buying four. On the other hand, I’m starting to wonder about the 87s. Hornby’s poor provision for lighting, DCC and sound is most regrettable and I may end up wishing I’d gone for one instead of two. Permit yourself a smug moment for skipping the 87. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted September 25, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2018 Looks rather good after some tinkering with the discs and addition of a driver. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted September 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2018 When something appeals to me, I surrender far too quickly to temptation. Even if the 68s were not quite perfect, they were still fantastic models and I have no regrets about buying four. On the other hand, I’m starting to wonder about the 87s. Hornby’s poor provision for lighting, DCC and sound is most regrettable and I may end up wishing I’d gone for one instead of two. Permit yourself a smug moment for skipping the 87. Is it worth fitting sound in an 87 - do they make much noise to speak of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2018 When something appeals to me, I surrender far too quickly to temptation. Even if the 68s were not quite perfect, they were still fantastic models and I have no regrets about buying four. On the other hand, I’m starting to wonder about the 87s. Hornby’s poor provision for lighting, DCC and sound is most regrettable and I may end up wishing I’d gone for one instead of two. Permit yourself a smug moment for skipping the 87. Apart from which the Intercity DVT is not currently in the catalogue....whereas Kernow's Network Rail version is. Bizarre.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Is it worth fitting sound in an 87 - do they make much noise to speak of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted September 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 26, 2018 We take the point. They make a noise..But thank you also for eloquently reinforcing the case for another run of the Swallow DVT.Bit pointless to run an InterCity87 plus Mark 3 stock without one.Not rocket science is it ? Yet none are in the catalogue it seems. Conversely,we have a full set of Virgin MK 3 plus DVT but as yet no Virgin 87 .Oh dear..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Dare I ask what class 87s have to do with Kernow Bulleid diesels ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Dare I ask what class 87s have to do with Kernow Bulleid diesels ? I was thinking the same, I thought I had clicked on the wrong thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Dare I ask what class 87s have to do with Kernow Bulleid diesels ? It's all 'No Decorum's' fault Sir - he said it first !! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Well if anyone wants sound of an 87 for their layout at a show, they can skip DCC fitting and just add a WWII air raid siren to the layout! Give me proper Bulleid diesel sound over this din any day. Thanks for the video though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted October 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2018 took the plunge today and bought a class tts chip. i've fitted it to the bullied using a 21>8 pin converter. the sound works well but i have a few questions 1: i assume i can't use the cab lights as the tts chip has no function for this 2: which speaker is best, the tts speaker or factory fitted from kernow 3:at slow speeds the running is very lumpy when using the tts chip. i have turned of back EMF but apart from that i don't really know what to play around with in terms of cv values. has anybody put the class 40 tts chip in and got any tips for smooth running? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 took the plunge today and bought a class tts chip. i've fitted it to the bullied using a 21>8 pin converter. the sound works well but i have a few questions 1: i assume i can't use the cab lights as the tts chip has no function for this 2: which speaker is best, the tts speaker or factory fitted from kernow 3:at slow speeds the running is very lumpy when using the tts chip. i have turned of back EMF but apart from that i don't really know what to play around with in terms of cv values. has anybody put the class 40 tts chip in and got any tips for smooth running? thanks 1: i assume i can't use the cab lights as the tts chip has no function for this They will either come on with the main lighting function or not. You are converting from 8 to 21 so you either loose lighting functions or they get grouped togethor. 2: which speaker is best, the tts speaker or factory fitted from kernow The Kernow and TTS speaker are the same (though Hornby provide a sound box for it). Probably no difference in sound quality 3:at slow speeds the running is very lumpy when using the tts chip. i have turned of back EMF but apart from that i don't really know what to play around with in terms of cv values. The TTS is set up for a railroad single powered bogie model. The Kernow loco uses a much bigger motor. I used a TTS chip targetted for the railroad model in the super detailed one. It too stuttered but went when I set CVs 151 and 152 to 35, BTW - the 40 had horns and the Kernow Bullieds have whistles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 BTW - the 40 had horns and the Kernow Bullieds have whistles. 10203 had twin-tone horns fitted at a later date. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jonnyuk Posted October 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2018 Thank you for your suggestions, will give it a try tomorrow. I appreciate the class 40 sounds are different but they are close enough for me, I paid £30 for TTS chip so I can’t really complain or even start to compare it to the full fat £100 + chips out there. Slightly off topic but I bought the hst TTS chips not so along ago I and was really disappointed in them, think it’s the speakers to be fair, can’t say the same for the class 40 which is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 10203 had twin-tone horns fitted at a later date. 10203_16.jpg Regards, John Isherwood. Indeed but not as Kernow supplied them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Indeed but not as Kernow supplied them. Quite an easy modification, though. Regards, John Isherwood. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 10203 had twin-tone horns fitted at a later date. 10203_16.jpg Regards, John Isherwood. Also an interesting photo to show how the lining sat on a raised band, you can see where a bit has fallen off on the door. Apologies if this feature has been noted before. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Also an interesting photo to show how the lining sat on a raised band, you can see where a bit has fallen off on the door. Apologies if this feature has been noted before. John. It also shows that the whole of the front of the bogies should be painted red - not just the bufferbeams. I'll have to get the red paint out ! Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Apparently I've just bought the last green 10203. They put it on Farcebook whilst I was looking. Better find something to put on ebay to fund it There don't now appear to be any on their website - unless I'm being dense - so presumably all gone. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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