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Here are a couple that seem hopeless on the face of it, but...

10420668074_9efe526f43_z.jpgAPR 73 03. A Class 52 climbs away from the Severn tunnel near Pilning, March or April 1973 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

It is a Swindon machine, and the nameplate looks as if it is the same depth as the number plate (although that might just be the blur of the photo). Could it be D1000 again?

 

10420732343_d6e8bcfffc_z.jpgA Class 52 on the diverted 13:15 Paddington-Cardiff service at Narroways Hill Junction, 1975 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

A poor picture due to a focusing mishap. But the loco seems to have (1) no allocation stickers (2) D still visible on the number plate (3) apparently some dents or scrapes on the corner of the cab. And it is the summer of 1975, so there are fewer to choose from.

Hi Andy bottom pic is D1058 matches a few pics I have .

 

cheers Greg

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10072094883_145a8f34be_z.jpgMAY 74 33. A Down train climbing Dainton Bank, Easter 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

No chance of decyphering the plates on this one, but it does look as if it's had an encounter with a bucket of whitewash. April 1974. Does this ring any bells?

 

10067975535_bd12f29b00_z.jpgAPR 74 24. A Western heads an Up train past Coryton Cove, Dawlish, Easter 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

And on this one too, I think we would be reliant on the loco's cosmetic condition. Note where the yellow paint has apparently worn off, revealing the white beneath. Also April 1974

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A fascinating thread Andy, really shows the depth of knowledge hereabouts, and all because you were too tight to buy a notebook and biro!

 

Mike.

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10072094883_145a8f34be_z.jpgMAY 74 33. A Down train climbing Dainton Bank, Easter 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

No chance of decyphering the plates on this one, but it does look as if it's had an encounter with a bucket of whitewash. April 1974. Does this ring any bells?

 

10067975535_bd12f29b00_z.jpgAPR 74 24. A Western heads an Up train past Coryton Cove, Dawlish, Easter 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

And on this one too, I think we would be reliant on the loco's cosmetic condition. Note where the yellow paint has apparently worn off, revealing the white beneath. Also April 1974

Hi Andy 100% D1037 Western Empress for the bottom pic

 

cheers Greg

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Hi Andy 99% D1057  Western Chieftian for the bottom pic

 

cheers Greg

Many thanks. Is the state of its weathering that is distinctive?

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I think I'm now scraping the barrel, as I can't imagine there's much prospect of identifying the remaining ones, but here goes, anyway. All these have Crewe-style electrification flashes and a full set of headboard clips.

10419830233_2454a1d788_z.jpgAPR 74 19. A Class 52 with an Up train near Scorrier, April 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

No distinguishing features that I can make out.

10419945123_0dc942b482_z.jpgAPR 74 17. A Class 52 on an empty ballast train at Drump Lane near Redruth, April 17 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Nor on this one.

10067930644_31fb4dcf77_z.jpgSEP 73 12. 1041 Western Prince and three other Westerns at Newton Abbot, August 5 1973 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

I can't resist posting this one. I'm fairly sure that the second from the right is 1041 Western Prince, but I can't see any distinctive features on the others. I wonder if anyone knows any other pictures showing four or more (not withdrawn) Westerns.

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Hmmm. Deafening silence for those. And I suspect I might get the same response for these.

10419773375_b7e1f6cd6d_z.jpgA Class 52 climbs westbound out of Lostwithiel, April 1976 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Easter 1976. Crewe-style electrification flashes, Allocation sticker above number plate.

[Edit] remove mention of missing headboard clips - they wouldn't be visible.

 

 

10419922513_920b59686b_z.jpgA Class 52 with a freight train climbing westbound out of Lostwithiel, April 1976 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

You can say exactly the same about this one - except: are the flashes slightly higher up?

 

 

10071971095_9b05f3932c_z.jpgMAY 74 25. Class 52 with Down train climbing out of Totnes, April 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

April 1974. I think I've narrowed this down to 1005 Venturer or 1016 Gladiator. Anyone care to give a casting vote?

 

 

10065992774_c5d23545a1_z.jpgTeignmouth 1975 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Summer of 1975. Quite recently painted by the look of it.

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The Teignmouth Western looks to have a very short four letter name, so either D1043, D1047 or D1048? It can't be D1039 as it was cut up by then and had a cab ventilator.

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The Teignmouth Western looks to have a very short four letter name, so either D1043, D1047 or D1048? It can't be D1039 as it was cut up by then and had a cab ventilator.

Neil

And 1047 lacked data panels and allocation stickers, as  this one seems to. So 1047 seems quite probable.

 

Many thanks.

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Hmmm. Deafening silence for those. And I suspect I might get the same response for these.

10419773375_b7e1f6cd6d_z.jpgA Class 52 climbs westbound out of Lostwithiel, April 1976 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Easter 1976. Crewe-style electrification flashes, Allocation sticker above number plate.

[Edit] remove mention of missing headboard clips - they wouldn't be visible.

 

 

10419922513_920b59686b_z.jpgA Class 52 with a freight train climbing westbound out of Lostwithiel, April 1976 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

You can say exactly the same about this one - except: are the flashes slightly higher up?

 

 

10071971095_9b05f3932c_z.jpgMAY 74 25. Class 52 with Down train climbing out of Totnes, April 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

April 1974. I think I've narrowed this down to 1005 Venturer or 1016 Gladiator. Anyone care to give a casting vote?

 

 

10065992774_c5d23545a1_z.jpgTeignmouth 1975 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Summer of 1975. Quite recently painted by the look of it.

Hi Andy 3rd one not D1005  as it had lost its headboard clips that end.

 

cheers Greg

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Hi Andy 3rd one not D1005  as it had lost its headboard clips that end.

 

cheers Greg

Thanks Greg.

 

Do please tell me how you can tell which end is which.

 

[Edit] Is it by any chance to do with that little circular window off-centre below the nameplate? I see it appears in some photos but not in others, so perhaps it is on one side only.

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Thanks Greg.

 

Do please tell me how you can tell which end is which.

 

[Edit] Is it by any chance to do with that little circular window off-centre below the nameplate? I see it appears in some photos but not in others, so perhaps it is on one side only.

Hi Andy

As Flood as said ,the small rectangle that houses the battery switch is at the 'B' end of the loco and on one side only, also the same side is the oval boiler port.Overhead flash positions , various types of windscreen wipers headboard clips if fitted and finally the paint scars then help to possibly identifying the loco.The circular window is the emergency fire bottle release and is on both sides of the loco and is slightly more off set from one side . Keep the pics coming they are superb.

 

cheers Greg   

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Hi Andy 99% D1057  Western Chieftian for the bottom pic

 

cheers Greg

Hi Andy This is 100% D1037 Western Empress I have found an exact match on your flicker site.

 

cheers Greg

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Hi Andy This is 100% D1037 Western Empress I have found an exact match on your flicker site.

 

cheers Greg

So it is! Thank you.

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Hi Andy

As Flood as said ,the small rectangle that houses the battery switch is at the 'B' end of the loco and on one side only, also the same side is the oval boiler port.Overhead flash positions , various types of windscreen wipers headboard clips if fitted and finally the paint scars then help to possibly identifying the loco.The circular window is the emergency fire bottle release and is on both sides of the loco and is slightly more off set from one side . Keep the pics coming they are superb.

 

cheers Greg   

That's most useful information - but are you sure it's the 'B' end that's indicated? Here are two shots of D1005 which lacked headboard clips at the B End.

10422294103_28619654ce_z.jpgJUL 74 32. D1005 Western Venturer at Banbury. July 23, 1974. by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

10422155985_ce413caa97_z.jpgJUL 74 33. 1957 and D1005 Western Venturer at Banbury,  July 23, 1974. by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

The rectangular aperture is clearly visible and undoubtedly at the end with the clips.

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That's most useful information - but are you sure it's the 'B' end that's indicated? Here are two shots of D1005 which lacked headboard clips at the B End.

10422294103_28619654ce_z.jpgJUL 74 32. D1005 Western Venturer at Banbury. July 23, 1974. by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

10422155985_ce413caa97_z.jpgJUL 74 33. 1957 and D1005 Western Venturer at Banbury,  July 23, 1974. by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

The rectangular aperture is clearly visible and undoubtedly at the end with the clips.

Hi Andy yes my mistake 'A' end its missing headboard clips.I have modified a Dapol 52 to D1005 for Shenston road so should have remembered that but my brain cell must have been otherwise engaged!!.Great flicker site Andy by the way. 

 

cheers Greg

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10421698804_6d9ecdf103_z.jpgOCT 74 17. Class 52 passing Castle Cary, September (?) 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flick

Would I be right to suppose that having no card holder beneath the cab window identifies this as a Swindon machine? If so then this is presumably between 1025 and 1029 because it lacks headboard clips (but not 1028, which had a cab vent). Can anyone narrow it down further? Probably September 1974.

 

10419738155_fea5cf4f6e_z.jpgAPR 74 14. A Class 52 crossing Penponds viaduct west of Camborne, April 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

I don't think there's much distinctive here. A Crewe loco with a shortish name. It looks a bit to me as if the D has been burned off the numberplate, but  I can't be sure. April 1974

 

10419806213_7240e8ca2e_z.jpgAPR 74 27. A Class 52 with a Down train approaches Buckshead Tunnel near Truro, April 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

Pretty a much a hopeless proposition I think, but I'll post it just in case. April 1974.

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Should be possible to track down the working. The only train to have the buffet car positioned at the end of the train was a Cardiff or btm to pz wasn't it?

t it?

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Should be possible to track down the working. The only train to have the buffet car positioned at the end of the train was a Cardiff or btm to pz wasn't it?

t it?

Someone commented on Flikr that this was the 0800 Bristol-Penzance. I can't be sure of the date, although It could be April 18th.

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Would anyone care to have a stab at this one?

23895458995_89c7dca0c0_z.jpgThe 13:55 Paignton-Paddington takes the road for Westbury station at Fairwood Junction. August or September 1973 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

It was probably taken in August or September 1973. The loco has "Swindon" electrification flashes and I can't see any allocation stickers (although that might be an illusion given the quality of the picture). The nameplate is almost entirely degraded to "noise" but I can sometimes convince myself that there is a suggestion of TALISMAN in there.

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Would anyone care to have a stab at this one?

23895458995_89c7dca0c0_z.jpgThe 13:55 Paignton-Paddington takes the road for Westbury station at Fairwood Junction. August or September 1973 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

It was probably taken in August or September 1973. The loco has "Swindon" electrification flashes and I can't see any allocation stickers (although that might be an illusion given the quality of the picture). The nameplate is almost entirely degraded to "noise" but I can sometimes convince myself that there is a suggestion of TALISMAN in there.

If i had to bet I'd say the nameplate suggests Pathfinder.

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I'd agree on it more likely being Pathfinder, the weathering around the bodyside grilles looks similar to other shots of it I've seen.

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