grahame Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 ...Anyone for a pint? Yep, I'm always keen for a decent pint, or two, or three . . . . ;-) G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benn Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Yep, I'm always keen for a decent pint, or two, or three . . . . ;-) G Excellent, we'll arrange that sometime then Grahame. Hope you enjoyed your trip on the DMU at Llangollen when I saw you a month or two back! Anyway, I think I've damaged this thread enough now, I'll shurrup! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Yes, Bachmann thought they had the diagrams for the Mark 2F, however on comparison with an actual coach just a few months ago they realised it was for a Mark 2E As Bachmann had plans for a Mark 2F rather than a Mark 2E, the whole process has been put back to the beginning As for the next new DMU, the Class 117 is likely just not within the next three years as Bachmann are currently working their way through their existing Farish range I then pressed them for details as to why no further Class 47/0 or 47/4 had been released (after 47474 / 47612 / 47535) They are currently waiting for existing stocks to be exhausted, but I pointed out they had just run out after the release of the (disappointing) 47/7 If that was the case they would look at this again, for a release in 2017 As a follow up to this Bachmann would like to address the points (responses in bold): Yes, Bachmann thought they had the diagrams for the Mark 2F, however on comparison with an actual coach just a few months ago they realised it was for a Mark 2E Incorrect – we know the difference between the types As Bachmann had plans for a Mark 2F rather than a Mark 2E, the whole process has been put back to the beginning The Bachmann Branchline OO scale Mk2Fs were announced in March 2013 and the Graham Farish N Scale ones at the same event. The OO scale ones were always going to lead first and indeed they are currently in the tool room. The N scale versions are in the drawing office. As for the next new DMU, the Class 117 is likely just not within the next three years as Bachmann are currently working their way through their existing Farish range I then pressed them for details as to why no further Class 47/0 or 47/4 had been released (after 47474 / 47612 / 47535) They are currently waiting for existing stocks to be exhausted, but I pointed out they had just run out after the release of the (disappointing) 47/7 Bachmann’s warehouse contains the following items in stock (none of which are out of stock) which are available for Bachmann retailers to order. 371-825B Class 47/0 BR Green D1572 Small Yellow Panel £ 119.95 371-828B Class 47/0 47096 BR Blue £ 119.95 372-243 Class 47/7 47701 'Saint Andrew' BR Blue £ 119.95 372-244 Class 47/7 47711 'Greyfriars Bobby' BR Blue Large Logo £ 119.95 372-245 Class 47/7 47710 'Sir Walter Scott' BR ScotRail £ 119.95 372-246 Class 47/7 47715 'Haymarket' BR Network SouthEast £ 119.95 Moving on: I was advised the Mark 2F coach (N gauge) project was put back to the beginning a few months ago, after the three samples were produced (TSO, FO and DBSO) They were compared to actual coaches and found to be completely incorrect, including window dimensions incorrect and underframe incorrect As above, it turned out the diagrams supplied were for Mark 2E and not Mark 2F I don't know how this could be the case, the N gauge Mk2f is still at the drawing office stage and therefore no tool has been produced for any first EP samples to be made from so it can't have gone back to the beginning. Would you be kind enough to drop me a PM with the name of the person you are quoting please? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 372-246 Class 47/7 47715 'Haymarket' BR Network SouthEast £ 11 I will have a dozen of them at that price Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 372-246 Class 47/7 47715 'Haymarket' BR Network SouthEast £ 11 I will have a dozen of them at that price My copy and paste error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold roundhouse Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 My copy and paste error. I knew I was dreaming. Cant complain with my typos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted September 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2015 Hi Andy, Thanks for clarifying. Did they address the suggestion that the DBSO would not have working lights? cheers Ben A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benn Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Good stuff, thanks to Andy and Bachmann for putting things straight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 This totally 'derailed' Mk2F and 47 issue is why I never bother asking Dapol or Bachmann about thier timescales at exhibitions. I have to say though that the Bachmann responce does highlight that they have no 47/4s left so may may see some more in 2016! As for a 117 it would be nice (as would a 116) as long as it does not look out of place with the Dapol 122/121. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigP Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) -- Edited January 30, 2021 by bigP Deleted 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu from EGDL Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Hi Gang, A Class 117 would be awesome in N Gauge......but we must be patient as usual. Bachmann are noted for revealing nothing of their plans until they are ready.....much like the DBSO really ;-) As Ben has intimated/hoped.....lights in the DBSO would be awesome. Later, Stu from EGDL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benn Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 we must be patient as usual. Bachmann are noted for revealing nothing of their plans until they are ready.....much like the DBSO really ;-) Yes, and I like this approach. I'm not a fan of companies sticking a flag on a prototype or class, and then leaving it half a decade before we see any progress. I'm guessing it could be better for the manufacturer that way as well, as they can take their time at the R & D stage to get the model spot on without constant, and often unnecessary attacks on their work all the time. Plus, when the model is near completion, I'd imagine they could give a more accurate retail price for pre-orders. I'm only speculating here of course, I'm sure it's much more complicated than that! Either way, going off the quality of the 108 and 101, both fantastic models and superb runners, if we do see a 117 in N from Farish at some point, it will be a scorcher and well worth the wait. Benn. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytrains Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I agree with the 104, but let us not forget that the shrink ray has also yet to target the 105 Cravens. Scott Yes absolutely i think we should hopefully be seeing a 105 cravens soon oh so soon 2018 maybe long over due . mytrains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted December 31, 2017 Share Posted December 31, 2017 For those that can't wait (and what will probably be an unspecified and lengthy amount of time) class 105 and 117 DMUs are available from B&H Enterprises, and the 105 as a scratch-build aid from Worsley Works with the 117 listed as TBA. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Higgs Posted January 3, 2018 Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) As for a 117 it would be nice (as would a 116) as long as it does not look out of place with the Dapol 122/121. So they need to downgrade it so the window glazing is more globby than Bachmann typically manage these days, the proportions of the front windows are wrong and the underframe components stick out too much? Edited January 3, 2018 by Chris Higgs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977joey Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 How good does the OO gauge 117 look? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/132656-Bachmann-class-117/ I'm not jealous at all :beee: lol! Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I make do with this N gauge class 117 - built from a BHE kit, I believe: G. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy stroud Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I make do with this N gauge class 117 - built from a BHE kit, I believe: DSC_5476.JPG G. That looks really good Grahame. I was thinking of attempting a class 120 which I believe BHE do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahame Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 That looks really good Grahame. I was thinking of attempting a class 120 which I believe BHE do. Actually I didn't make it, I was lucky enough to acquire it. That's why I said I think it's a BHE kit. It's one of Dicky Dockerills models - he was certainly a great N/2mm modeller but now prefers O/7mm. I've also got a 165 by him. I do remember him telling me that BHE kits require a bit of effort but can be made up in to good models and that he mastered many of the cast white metal underframe details for many of their units. G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted April 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2018 (edited) I asked the question at AP. Obviously I didn't get a firm answer, but if an N Gauge 117 was announced in the next couple of years I wouldn't be surprised at all........ Tom. Edited April 9, 2018 by TomE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I asked the question at AP. Obviously I didn't get a firm answer, but if an N Gauge 117 was announced in the next couple of years I wouldn't be surprised at all........ Tom. I asked someone from Bachmann at The International N Gauge Show a couple of years ago. No confirmation but they certainly didn't dismiss it as never going to happen. We can but hope, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977joey Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 Well there we have it, another Class 117 is being done, this time in O gauge, while we continue to be forgotten in N gauge! https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=590&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=mar-360-heljan117rrpconfirmed&fbclid=IwAR0H9fbrAZfOw516XiSAbjtZDn3kHW7pRge7e0bMWI7UhqrR9h-HLO_Bq2k Cheers, Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted May 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2020 I would think it is much nearer as my 117 cut and shunt from the excellent Dapol 121/122 stable is nearing lock down completion! Middle car a happy chop of 3 vehicles ! and a smidge of filler as is normal with my bodging. I have reduced the population of dummy vehicles by 5 to get this far! making them more collectable ? Robert 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted May 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, 1977joey said: Well there we have it, another Class 117 is being done, this time in O gauge, while we continue to be forgotten in N gauge! Well as it wouldn't be announced until later in development these days, and the fact that Hattons are not friends with Bachmann at the moment, doesn't mean to say it isn't just around the corner. I'll have three or four when they arrive, five when Kernow commission the GWR 150 set..... If I start on my BHE etched one, maybe that will hurry it along?? Edited May 21, 2020 by Davexoc typo correction 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy L S Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Davexoc said: Well as it wouldn't be announced until later in development these days, and the fact that Hattons are friends with Bachmann at the moment, doesn't mean to say it isn't just around the corner. I'll have three or four when they arrive, five when Kernow commission the GWR 150 set..... If I start on my BHE etched one, maybe that will hurry it along?? Hattons are friends with Bachmann at the moment?? I wasn't aware of any change in the relationship - please do tell more. Roy P.S. a 117 in N? Lovely, a three car in green for me please.. Roy Edited May 21, 2020 by Roy L S 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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