RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2018 Still think this level of detail (in a model you don't have to buy) is a bargain. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 you think thats a crazy price £3.25 for a one inch bit of track, or am i missing something here http://www.gaugemaster.com/_upload/imgs/lrg/34713/MN02235.jpg It would take rather more than £3.25 to cover the paperwork, so if you sold nothing but single 1" lengths of track you would soon go broke. Typical cost of handling and order processing an item anyone? It was a long time ago when I had to consider such things. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Notwithstanding the fact that this product has got this far in the process, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it wasn't actually marketed because of its price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19, 2018 Still think this level of detail (in a model you don't have to buy) is a bargain. It is not a bargain, I don't care how good the detail is I am not paying £250 for something I don't have to buy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19, 2018 It is not a bargain, I don't care how good the detail is I am not paying £250 for something I don't have to buy. tight ar$e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 It is not a bargain, I don't care how good the detail is I am not paying £250 for something I don't have to buy. You could buy something (anything) at a 'bargain' price of (say) £10 but if it something you don't really want or need, never use it or even look at, it's not money well spent is it? If you want (or even 'would like') a decent breakdown crane you seem to have these choices: Scratch build one yourself (probably the cheapest option). Kit build one yourself. Pay someone to build one for you (probably the most expensive option). Detail either a Hornby Dublo or a Tri-ang Hornby RTR model. Perhaps if someone produced a scale length jib for the HD crane this may be a more attractive option. Buy a Bachmann model and stop bleating about the price. In days when the RRP of a four-wheel wagon is pushing £30, a coach is £60 and a Stanier Duchess is £190, the anticipated price of Bachmann's crane should be put into perspecive. I can't help but agree with Tim Dubya. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 19, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 19, 2018 You could buy something (anything) at a 'bargain' price of (say) £10 but if it something you don't really want or need, never use it or even look at, it's not money well spent is it? If you want (or even 'would like') a decent breakdown crane you seem to have these choices: Scratch build one yourself (probably the cheapest option). Kit build one yourself. Pay someone to build one for you (probably the most expensive option). Detail either a Hornby Dublo or a Tri-ang Hornby RTR model. Perhaps if someone produced a scale length jib for the HD crane this may be a more attractive option. Buy a Bachmann model and stop bleating about the price. In days when the RRP of a four-wheel wagon is pushing £30, a coach is £60 and a Stanier Duchess is £190, the anticipated price of Bachmann's crane should be put into perspecive. I can't help but agree with Tim Dubya. Please see post number 15. Thank you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 19, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2018 Notwithstanding the fact that this product has got this far in the process, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it wasn't actually marketed because of its price. I have more than a slight suspicion that as far as Bachmann are concerned at least a couple of versions will 'sell out'. They might not sell from retailers until the 15% imposition is past and Hattons can start knocking off about £80 but then the things will definitely sell out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted January 20, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2018 Peter Tatlow s, excellent books on Railway Breakdown Cranes is a good place to start. This was built from a Peter Tatlow drawing, apart from the wheels it is plastic card. 30ton003.jpg Did you build that Clive? It's the wrong colour for you shirley? Though you just did BR Green un's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Please see post number 15. Thank you. Hence your post #281 that you don't have to buy one I take it? You already have one you built yourself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 20, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 20, 2018 Did you build that Clive? It's the wrong colour for you shirley? Though you just did BR Green un's Yeah. It was great fun to make. The Bachmann crane would have been a purchase as it is the right type of crane for Tinsley shed, more importantly Tinsley Servicing Shed where it spent most of the time. Owing to moving house and a change in my modelling ideals I didn't progress with Tinsley but It would make a lovely exhibition layout showing what a real depot was like. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Just committed 1.5 large locos' worth of funds to a crane...! (ordered the 'Bluebell' Crane (LNER BR Early Emblem)... Now more expense of track/pointwork and SPACE for a siding to keep it in... Thankfully have the best part of a year to figure that bit out :-) And with Kernow’s recent cheap shunters trucks, something for the end of the jib in a demo lifting exercise! Edited February 9, 2018 by G-BOAF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold farren Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 Well the wait continues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prtrainman Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Well the wait continues Just like Bachmann to keep us 'hanging-around' for this crane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Just like Bachmann to keep us 'hanging-around' for this crane. More like an opportunity to yet "again" increase the RRP ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 So much for 'end of 2018' hinted at in the RMWeb/BRM interview! But on the plus side, would appear Bachmann have actually allocated production slots. I guess this means Bachmann intends to manufacture them before Chinese New Year 2019, which would equate to dispatch late Jan, 6 weeks at sea, arrival in UK march, customs, dispatch to retailers March/April. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 More like an opportunity to yet "again" increase the RRP ! Surely the newly announced RRP is based on an agreed production slot (date) and production cost contracted (internally) with Kader, with material/currency changes hedged in. Why should the RRP change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 I thought that it wasn't Bachmann's policy to give precise information about future release dates. Has that changed or are Hattons now adding guesses about release dates to go with their guesses about prices? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Surely the newly announced RRP is based on an agreed production slot (date) and production cost contracted (internally) with Kader, with material/currency changes hedged in. Why should the RRP change? Unfortunately, Bachmann have previous for announcing the RRP of an item and on release the cost is significantly higher. This was certainly the case with the Stanier Mogul, released in March 2017. They usually announce price increase in February round about the time that the new catalogue is released. I wouldn't be surprised if the RRP next year is £350 plus ! Edited March 5, 2018 by Black 5 Bear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Unfortunately, Bachmann have previous for announcing the RRP of an item and on release the cost is significantly higher. This was certainly the case with the Stanier Mogul, released in March 2017. They usually announce price increase in February round about the time that the new catalogue is released. I wouldn't be surprised if the RRP next year is £350 plus ! At least another year, then. I've already bailed out of my pre-order, placed when the crane was first announced. If the price does get to that level, and I'm feeling especially flush when it finally arrives, I doubt I'll have any problem finding one......... The deciding factor will be if there's absolutely nothing else that I've pre-ordered in the offing at the time. John Edited March 5, 2018 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) Any price increase is pure speculation. Give em hell when it happens but for now there is nothing to confirm or deny such action. Having just announced their price for the crane and been widely condemned it would be commercial suicide to announce another increase so soon after the first. Edited March 5, 2018 by ndg910 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I thought that it wasn't Bachmann's policy to give precise information about future release dates. Has that changed or are Hattons now adding guesses about release dates to go with their guesses about prices? The recent posts about various Bachmann future release items, quoting dates in 2019, has come from the interim Bachmann website, where they have provided an availability set of sheets for 2018 catalogue items. For the Ransomes crane, they have stated a March 2019 date. These sheets also give the 2018 Bachmann rrp values Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34027TAWVALLEY Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Hello all, I'm a newbie so I'll try not to go on too long (not like the wait for the crane anyway)! I was wondering if anybody who is keen on purchasing the model as 38-800 (SR) could answer a question I have because I am thinking about getting it. I'm wondering whether DS1560 or DS1561 were ever seen in the Eastern part of Kent (Margate and Ramsgate to be more specific). I have been researching and I have seen DS1560 removing a footbridge at Sevenoaks and assisting at Hither Green following a derailment but I was wondering if either of them had been required at Broadstairs (03/08/41) during the second world war for instance. My main focus is actually Ramsgate station (the first shed of Taw Valley)! I know that the shed itself had a Cowans 15T (315S) but I'm assuming that any light pacific derailments would have required either a 36 or 45T crane. Would it possibly be better for me to purchase a kit for the Cowans 15T instead? I don't know too much about cranes but I do know they were loaned to Martin Mill as and when required, - is it possible that they came down via Minster? Any feedback would be gratefully received. Regards, David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Any price increase is pure speculation. Give em hell when it happens but for now there is nothing to confirm or deny such action. Having just announced their price for the crane and been widely condemned it would be commercial suicide to announce another increase so soon after the first. I would like to say this is as you say "Pure Speculation",however the reality is that this is the norm for Bachmann, who have hiked prices each time the new range/catalogue is released. Time will only tell if I'm right, but past form confirms my post. Some folk keep buying their products whatever the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndg910 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Fair enough. I’m not a big Bachmann purchaser as they tend to shy away from GWR and it takes at least three livery shots before a shirt button or Great Western livery appears rather than GWR by which time I’ve usually beaten them to it with a kit. 64xx is a classic example. I hope you are wrong but only time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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