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luke_stevens

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Have you actually bought one?

 

From same website:

 

http://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/shop/kits_modelling/plastic_dmu_emu_coaching_stock_kits_from_dc_kits_incudes_locomotives_/southern_region_diesel_units/class_201_6s_short_bodied_hasting_diesel_unit_6_car_unit_non_corridor_.php

 

and I, for one, know that these are no longer available. Not the most up to date website is that one!

Rgds,

Just got a (re)confirmation that the kit / body is not available.

 

Maybe if enough of us ask...

 

Luke

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PeteB

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I do have one of the DC kits class 74 kits, which I started building quite a few years ago.

 

It's a fairly basic resin body shell, so probably no comparison to the DJM one I was hoping for, but it might be worth seeing if I can adapt it to go on the DJM class 71 chassis.

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Southernman46

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I do have one of the DC kits class 74 kits, which I started building quite a few years ago.

 

It's a fairly basic resin body shell, so probably no comparison to the DJM one I was hoping for, but it might be worth seeing if I can adapt it to go on the DJM class 71 chassis.

Agreed - have removed mine from the "to go on Ebay box" to do just this (might use a Hornby chassis instead though)

 

It'll still look like a Class 74 from 2ft away ........................... and I get to do some modelling too - now where did I put that "02" headcode ?

 

Now anyone want a Black Beetle motor ................. great price ?

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LaGrange

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Why thank you, much appreciated.

 

Who's running away from the thread?

Not me, im just saying that its now a pretty dead issue, its not going to happen under the original ideas, if at all so what is the point of it carrying on? if you have a magic wand that would ressurect i'm sure we would all like to hear it.

 

nobody is out of pocket except myself and Kernow, and of course its dissapointing, so why do you have an issue?

 

The floor is yours.

 

Is that you taking some 'affirmative action'. Some of the figures you are coming up with seem to be a little on the high side. CAD's certainly dont cost that much. Like I said before - work on what you have announced, dont keep landgrabbing anything and everything. Its been proven now that other manufacturers can go from announcement to CAD to model in less than a year, so maybe if you concentrated on what you are doing rather than what you feel would work using other peoples money you might get further. Plus if you deliver you get a better reputation and people wont be as quick to mock

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Mike Storey

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Is that you taking some 'affirmative action'. Some of the figures you are coming up with seem to be a little on the high side. CAD's certainly dont cost that much. Like I said before - work on what you have announced, dont keep landgrabbing anything and everything. Its been proven now that other manufacturers can go from announcement to CAD to model in less than a year, so maybe if you concentrated on what you are doing rather than what you feel would work using other peoples money you might get further. Plus if you deliver you get a better reputation and people wont be as quick to mock

 

Evidence for that assertion please? AFIK, those have come to market that quickly already have CADS, even EP's in one or two cases (such as Irish Rail/Accurascale). I note Rapido/Locomotion are having just as many problems.

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I am still of the belief that Dave’s original business plan was overtaken by events in the modelling world with retailer commissioned models and crowdfunding altering the whole landscape for everyone.

 

His plan of one model financing the next worked when it was just the big four companies.

 

The 74 didn’t reach a threshold for production, the only financial losers were Dave and Kernow.

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PMP

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Evidence for that assertion please? AFIK, those have come to market that quickly already have CADS, even EP's in one or two cases (such as Irish Rail/Accurascale). I note Rapido/Locomotion are having just as many problems.

Interesting you mention Rapido, I think their SW1200 qualifies.

 

 

 

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I am still of the belief that Dave’s original business plan was overtaken by events in the modelling world with retailer commissioned models and crowdfunding altering the whole landscape for everyone.

His plan of one model financing the next worked when it was just the big four companies.

The 74 didn’t reach a threshold for production, the only financial losers were Dave and Kernow.

Your first sentence may well be correct but to remain in business you have to be flexible and agile and be able to respond to changes. There is no doubt that Hattons, KMRC, Rails etc are changing the landscape of our hobby and the manufacturers are having to think on their feet.

 

DJ Models class 74 may have failed in it's objective as a crowd funded model, but did it have to die because of that? Would I be right in thinking that the N Pendolino didn't quite make it's crowdfunding target but was given the green light to go ahead anyway ? Presumably the organisers agreed to push ahead against the shortfall expecting the project to break even once the plastic was sprayed and presented.

 

I imagine Dave Jones planned the class 71 project with the 74 in mind. Effectively the same loco shape size cabs bogies etc - just detail differences. To a layman you would expect the vast majority of development costs of the 74 to piggyback off the straight electric model. I would have expected the class 74 to eventually sell and I feel that perhaps Dave Jones has given it a premature death by pulling the plug. However, it was Dave's and Chris Trerise's money tied up in the project.

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leopardml2341

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However, it was Dave's and Chris Trerise's money tied up in the project.

Which is why I don't understand why people are getting upset about the term 'crowd funding' - surely the crowd funders must take some of the risk?

 

Isn't that the point of it?

 

To 'invest' with the hope of a reward? Even though there is no guarantee of a return?

 

Sounds like expecting having a cake and eat it scenario to me!

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However, it was Dave's and Chris Trerise's money tied up in the project.

To what extent is not known to me though the wording of Kernow MRC's announcement of the cancellation suggests the costs to that business were bank fees rather than anything else and some of those have been mitigated by offering a transfer of credit to the customer's shop account.  

 

Which is why I don't understand why people are getting upset about the term 'crowd funding' - surely the crowd funders must take some of the risk?

 

Isn't that the point of it?

 

To 'invest' with the hope of a reward? Even though there is no guarantee of a return?

 

Sounds like expecting having a cake and eat it scenario to me!

 

The risk is that of the project not proceeding.  There is a potential risk of monies paid in advance being lost through improper management or other means but that is not the case in this instance.  Yes crowd funders take a risk though with a reputable business such as Kernow MRC is acting as DJModels' banker in this venture that reputation could have been on the line had the funds not been correctly paid into a separate account and not been available for immediate return. Had our payments been applied instead to direct-funding the CAD/CAMs, which have been charged for, have left DJ significantly out of pocket but were not produced and with no prospect of getting that money back according to DJ then we might legitimately be jumping up and down making noise.  

We have lost out on a model and one which in the scheme of things has not proven to be particularly sought-after.  Kernow MRC has lost something in bank charges, a measure of staff time and is wearing additional loyalty credit costs.  DJModels - potentially DJ personally - has taken a massive hit because of the way China has done, or rather not done, business in this case.  

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Which is why I don't understand why people are getting upset about the term 'crowd funding' - surely the crowd funders must take some of the risk?

Isn't that the point of it?

To 'invest' with the hope of a reward? Even though there is no guarantee of a return?

Sounds like expecting having a cake and eat it scenario to me!

This depends how it is marketed. The 71 and 74 T&Cs were quite clear and under written by Kernow. You paid full money now but could cancel and get the money back. With other DJM projects totally done by DJM, it is a different set of T&Cs. The end buyer (us) need to know where we stand and we can decide whether or not it is suitable for each of us but basically you pay in 4 parts with no option to cancel once the first invoice is paid.

 

There are many different ways these things are marketed.

Hattons - you just place a pre order for their commissions, nothing is taken now and you can cancel later

Rails - you pay a deposite for each item ordered, I guess you loose that if you cancel but it probably gives them a clear order book

Kernow - use a strategy to avoid price increases by letting you pay fully now (those with orders several years old) or paying more later - not sure if you cancel (guess you can) but if you reordered you would pay more later.

Locomotion - choice of pay all right away and get free postage or pay a deposite

Revolution - pay in two steps, I think it is underwritten by Rapido.

And so on...

 

These are all different ways of marketing. Hattons classic pre order method will definitely gain more orders but they probably have the resources to cover it. Other methods that will get less orders from end customers but do bring in resources to help fund it. Biting styles range from people who will take a leap of faith to others who will want to handle it before buying.

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mikeharvey22

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There are many different ways these things are marketed.

 

Revolution - pay in two steps, I think it is underwritten by Rapido.

 

That only applied to the Pendolino when the Kickstarter fell short by 7% of its target. Subsequent models are sourced from other factories as well as Rapido’s. Revolution do ring fence funds for each separate project. Some are coming to fruition quickly now.

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Wolf27

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Except for the small matter of copyright :yes:

Although I have no intention of making a mould from this, would copyright come into it as this is a very heavily altered shell.

 

Cheers

 

Shane

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leopardml2341

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It didn't stop MTK from using the Trix EM1 as a master though... At least from what I could see, when I foolishly bought one.

The MTK rendition was probably so bad you couldn't tell its origins :jester:

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