atom3624 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 It's all gone very quiet on this thread!! Delivery Day's starting to get quite close now isn't it - October still the 'D-Day'? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 4 hours ago, atom3624 said: It's all gone very quiet on this thread!! Delivery Day's starting to get quite close now isn't it - October still the 'D-Day'? Al. After Christmas now. I think Dapol are trying to ensure the lighting circuitry is right before production. I would prefer them late and right. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Wife isn't going to batter me until after Christmas - great!! Another New Year in relative peace!! Accurascale 55, Mk5 Coaches, Class 59, Class 66 coming ... so it's the 66 first then .... In view of the relative similarities - apart from the doors - was the Hattons' delay with the 66 related to the new delay on the 59? Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted September 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 9, 2019 On 08/09/2019 at 16:28, NIRCLASS80 said: After Christmas now. I think Dapol are trying to ensure the lighting circuitry is right before production. I would prefer them late and right. Yes. More important that it is right. Did you hear about the delay from Dapol? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 7 hours ago, BR Blue said: Yes. More important that it is right. Did you hear about the delay from Dapol? Yes from Dapol at the Telford show. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 On 08/09/2019 at 20:07, atom3624 said: Wife isn't going to batter me until after Christmas - great!! Another New Year in relative peace!! Accurascale 55, Mk5 Coaches, Class 59, Class 66 coming ... so it's the 66 first then .... In view of the relative similarities - apart from the doors - was the Hattons' delay with the 66 related to the new delay on the 59? Al. Sounds like the Hattons 66 is going to be after Christmas as well now ... Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEARJAMMER Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Im curious to see if there will be any finished examples on display at Warley MRE, if its just the lighting issues to sort then it shouldn't be to hard for Dapol to display a finished/non working example to display liveries etc. Same goes for the Hattons 66. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Hattons state SOME of the locos they're showing are finished products in their videos now. Getting close. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Has anyone seen the working exhaust in operation yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted November 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just to help a few people along with timings. The last I heard from the horses mouth............April 2020. DO NOT shoot the messenger! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Not messenger shooting ... Looking at the Dapol website, there is no 'official update' since February 2019 within the News section. I would have anticipated more ongoing and clear updates on the manufacturer's pages, and not simply from 'fellow enthusiasts' gleaning information. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2019 9 hours ago, atom3624 said: Looking at the Dapol website, there is no 'official update' since February 2019 within the News section. I’d be very surprised if they update anything on the website. I joined the digest 6 months ago and I am still waiting for it to be approved, despite many emails to them. Given up now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) I hadn't realised how 'different' the 59 is from the 66! Same generator power, more power to the traction motors, higher maximum tractive effort, etc.. ... basically by numbers alone it should list higher than the 66, shouldn't it? Don't get me wrong, I've seen a few 'sob stories' during 59 development, and how much more 'finished' the 66 is - it's domination of the British rails proves that. 4 more cylinders than the 66 as well, so if Dapol do 80% the job Hattons have of the 66 sounds, it should be individual and special in it's own way. If they can match the efforts of the 66's sounds will be something special. Al. Edited November 17, 2019 by atom3624 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Developing my last post, Dapol were supremely impressive with the Class 68. I wonder if the Class 59 can out-haul the Hatton's Class 66 - as is apparently possible 'in real life' when comparing maximum tractive efforts and historic loads hauled - when the 2 locomotives finally appear? !!! Wonder what the weights will be. The Hatton's 66 is already looking impressive, and what we've seen so far of Dapol, they keep upping their game .... should be interesting!! Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 (edited) On 17/11/2019 at 10:39, atom3624 said: I hadn't realised how 'different' the 59 is from the 66! Same generator power, more power to the traction motors, higher maximum tractive effort, etc.. ... basically by numbers alone it should list higher than the 66, shouldn't it? Don't get me wrong, I've seen a few 'sob stories' during 59 development, and how much more 'finished' the 66 is - it's domination of the British rails proves that. 4 more cylinders than the 66 as well, so if Dapol do 80% the job Hattons have of the 66 sounds, it should be individual and special in it's own way. If they can match the efforts of the 66's sounds will be something special. Al. A class 59 is derived from the super successful SD40-2, a class which thousands were made, it started production in the 1970’s and was just about end of life when the class 59 variant was produced for the UK. The class 66 is a variant of the SD70, which started production in 1992, so the technology was much fresher in the 66 than the 59... That said success makes spare parts easier to find, so obtaining SD40-2 spares probably isn't hard nor expensive if done now as the bulk of SD40-2’s are being withdrawn from secondary operators, but in 10 years it might be a little harder. This is what your really comparing... Taken in September 2002 at the London Ontario plant, I saw a bunch of Freightliner 66’s being constructed along side SD70’s. its worth noting SD70 construction ended after 13 years, in 2005, 5700 units built... Class 66 construction extended that life by more than a decade, to just a few years ago. SD40-2 was 3900 built, in a 17 year period, which also ended concurrently with the 59/2. i’m sure had they have been available BR would have bought a large fleet of 59’s, but equally think the cost of the new tech class 66 would have put them off, iirc wasnt the 59 @£500k a piece but the class 66 @£1.25m. I suspect in the long term class 66’s spares will increasingly come from the gene pool across Europe & Egypt, in the same vein I suspect our under utilised Class 67’s will someday feed Israels fleet of much higher utilised examples of the same type (photographed here on sunday just passed). Edited November 19, 2019 by adb968008 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: That said success makes spare parts easier to find, so obtaining SD40-2 spares probably isn't hard nor expensive if done now as the bulk of SD40-2’s are being withdrawn from secondary operators, but in 10 years it might be a little harder. Spare parts will likely be available for quite a while yet for most things. The SD40-2 had quite a lot of commonality of parts amongst the GP38/GP39/GP40/SD38/SD39/SD40/SD45 and then the newer GP38-2/GP39-2/GP40-2/SD38-2/SD40-2 and then finally the GP50/SD50. A lot of those units are still in use, particularly the 4-axle GP units given nothing new with 4-axles has been built in around 30 years (other than for passenger use). The predecessors to those units, built around the 567 engine, are still in active use on shortlines today with no particular parts issues. In many cases parts are actually still being made for those engines and components (likely in part because in addition to the rail use the EMD engines were also used in stationary and marine environments). 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: I suspect in the long term class 66’s spares will increasingly come from the gene pool across Europe & Egypt, in the same vein I suspect our under utilised Class 67’s will someday feed Israels fleet of much higher utilised examples of the same type (photographed here on sunday just passed). The 710 engine used in the 66/67 will also likely have a long period yet of parts availability, CP is just receiving their SD70ACU units, rebuilt from SD90s, that use the 710 so 710 equipped equipment will be running for quite a while yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Great info there, thanks. Just looking at 'father and son' in the photo, it's interesting to see just how much difference there is in the loading gauges. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stationroad Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) The Yeoman example will now be 59005, which has a different roof to the first 4 (005's roof is similar to the 59/1s). They have mentioned that 003 will be done in a second batch in GBRf, so if they fix the roof for that it opens up the door for the other 4 in other liveries. source: https://www.Dapol.co.uk/shop/preorder/OO-Gauge-Preorder/Class_59_Preorder Edited November 20, 2019 by stationroad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 On 19/11/2019 at 11:06, atom3624 said: Developing my last post, Dapol were supremely impressive with the Class 68. Al. lets also hope Dapol learn from the 68 and listen to people on here / Dapol digest etc. Dapol have had a habit recently of releasing finished products with wrong colours: - the blue on the TPE 68 was too light - the ends of the FL HIAs are silver/grey and not the released white the decorated livery samples of the 59s have the greys wrong on the ARC model (it should be one grey and not two) and the blue on the NP 59 is too dark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 23, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2019 6 hours ago, daz9284 said: lets also hope Dapol learn from the 68 and listen to people on here / Dapol digest etc. Dapol have had a habit recently of releasing finished products with wrong colours: - the blue on the TPE 68 was too light - the ends of the FL HIAs are silver/grey and not the released white the decorated livery samples of the 59s have the greys wrong on the ARC model (it should be one grey and not two) and the blue on the NP 59 is too dark Just to set the record straight........again....it’s a matter of record that due to a spate of abusive posts on this forum,Dapol withdrew its presence on RMWeb.Thus they communicate on their in house Digest and no longer one assumes “listen to people on here”. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
owentherail Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Any pics of 59 from show today at Dapol stand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Pedro32 Posted November 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Sorry not the greatest shot of the JHA wagon, as there was a scrum as usual, so wasn’t able to stop and chat plus had a 4yr old who was hungry. There was no class 59 was on display that I saw. cheers Peter Edited November 24, 2019 by Pedro32 Amended detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 According to a Dapol rep at Warley all the PCB problems are sorted but he doesn’t expect them to be complete before Chinese New Year. So possibly May/June 2020 delivery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going2theDogs Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Hi All, i was also advised the same availability as June 2020. Unfortunately no class 59 model on display. I did pick up the spec sheet on Saturday morning at Warley & I must say it does look good & am confident (deep intake of breath) it will be well worth the wait. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2019 Has Dapol posted the spec sheet online anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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