RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted November 14, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2018 Dont worry about it. We all have off days. There are so many factors that affect the progress and it cam be frustrating. For example I ordered D600 at what seems like the dawn of time. I have seen the 59 prototype at shows so I do think it will emerge in 2019. I am in the market for the original FY 4. I may have to wait a bit longer. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted November 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2018 As per the above pictures, I'd like to withdraw my 'Dapol couldn't make anything right if it only had one part' thought and congratulate Andy on getting the class 59 looking amazing. It was nice to hear him point out the revisions that needed doing and he's very determined to get it right. Would I buy one at £140 after seeing these.......most definitely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Not sure about the ARC mustard... looks like the same horrible yellow Hornby used. Also, why is the roof a different grey to the cabs? Come on Andy, please post some detailed shots of the mustard one as I suggested for a few weeks back on the Dapol digest! Thanks, Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz9284 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Andy did say to me the yellow wasnt right, same too on the NP one. Give him chance, he was at pains to say these werent final ones. That said, I dont think he should go too much darker on the ARC one, its not too far out, the Lima one was way too dark imho. either way he’s on it, and certainly passionate ! - was great listening to him, theres a buzz about Dapol right now. There n gauge class 50’s took my attention for a while too, not my scale but still really nice to look at. they are producing some fantastic models lately with the 73, 68 and now 59, plus the wagons they have and are producing. just placed an order for 5 of the JHA's to go with my 5x made JYA wagons. I don't suppose they mentioned if they are going to produce the other liveries of Hanson, AI, Mendip Rail, EWS, GBRf and revised ARC / Yeoman or any ARC / Hanson / NP JHA's? many thanks Darryl 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted November 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2018 The other JHAs are a totally different wagon - Powell-Duffryn built on LTF25 bogies, as opposed to the O&K variant used by Yeoman, so would be a new model. In some ways I’m surprised they didn’t do those instead of the O&K ones. The 59s did look superb, pleased they’re adjusting the colours, my immediate thoughts were that the NP blue is too purple and the ARC mustard is too yellow. they look suitably imposing though. I remain hopeful they downsize the locos and the wagons, and if they do the Hanson JHAs I’ll set up camp in Chirk until they do them too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Not sure if this has been mentioned or if these samples have been run on a track but will the cab end valances be independent of the bogies as per Hatton's Class 66? Edit: Actually if you look closely it is obvious they are, I'll just keep on walking... Edited November 27, 2018 by classy52 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Not sure if this has been mentioned or if these samples have been run on a track but will the cab end valances be independent of the bogies as per Hatton's Class 66? Edit: Actually if you look closely it is obvious they are, I'll just keep on walking... The valances are not part of the bogie frame. The attach to the body. You'll get two types, one full one and another with a cutout for the coupling. Edited December 1, 2018 by MGR Hooper! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The valances are not part of the bogie frame. The attach to the body. You'll get one full one and another with a cutout for the coupling. Thanks and yes expected as much, good to see new models that are coming out that don't have their front or back-end stuff following the bogies on turns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) Thanks and yes expected as much, good to see new models that are coming out that don't have their front or back-end stuff following the bogies on turns.True....the first thing I did to my Hornby Class 90 was 3D print new valances. Hate big fat chunks of plastic swinging about. The Dapol Class 59 is quite the model. I believe it also has rolling axle boxes also. Basically at par with the Hatton's Class 66 sans the see through bodyside grilles which I believe doesn't look good on the Class 66 (my opinion) as the holes are oversized. Edited November 27, 2018 by MGR Hooper! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Andy did say to me the yellow wasnt right, same too on the NP one. Give him chance, he was at pains to say these werent final ones. That said, I dont think he should go too much darker on the ARC one, its not too far out, the Lima one was way too dark imho. Sorry, but actually Lima got the ARC mustard more or less spot on. Lima (& Hornby) got the grey too dark but not the ARC mustard. See below (from front to back: Phoenix, Lima, Hornby). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The valances are not part of the bogie frame. The attach to the body. You'll get one full one and another with a cutout for the coupling. I hope that's on top of ones already fitted to the model...not running a 59 with a big hole in the valance at one end... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The other JHAs are a totally different wagon - Powell-Duffryn built on LTF25 bogies, as opposed to the O&K variant used by Yeoman, so would be a new model. In some ways I’m surprised they didn’t do those instead of the O&K ones. The 59s did look superb, pleased they’re adjusting the colours, my immediate thoughts were that the NP blue is too purple and the ARC mustard is too yellow. they look suitably imposing though. I remain hopeful they downsize the locos and the wagons, and if they do the Hanson JHAs I’ll set up camp in Chirk until they do them too! Yes, they are a totally different wagon. Here is a side-by-side shot for comparison (the eagle-eyed might recognise the location): Yes, agreed. The National Power blue is way off.... almost purple! Compare with below (also Phoenix). 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I hope that's on top of ones already fitted to the model...not running a 59 with a big hole in the valance at one end... Like I said you get two types, one full valance and one with a cutout for the coupling... There's no need for a third one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby (John) Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Yes, they are a totally different wagon. Here is a side-by-side shot for comparison (the eagle-eyed might recognise the location): Yes i recognise it, it is your layout 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium njee20 Posted November 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2018 Yes, they are a totally different wagon. Here is a side-by-side shot for comparison (the eagle-eyed might recognise the location): Long been an admirer of your efforts on the ARC ones - I had a couple of Mendip Models resin kits years ago which my teenage self made a massive hash of! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Long been an admirer of your efforts on the ARC ones - I had a couple of Mendip Models resin kits years ago which my teenage self made a massive hash of! Eeek... the scenery is my effort but the one on the left was built by Jeremy Davidson from the Intercity Models kit (it's lovely!), whilst the ARC one I finished based on a scratch-built body by Andy Elliot. I have one of the mendip models kits. I've not put it together, but I can see why it might not go so smoothly! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) It would appear to be a colour that is extremely sensitive to the exposure of the photo. You need to to look at lots of photos and take the average of them. E.g. this shot is the same (Phoenix) paint shades but 1/3 to 1/2 stop on the exposure makes it appear much brighter than in the shot of the three 59s I posted earlier. The yellow just doesn't look 'mustardy' enough. Needs a tad more green maybe? Edited November 27, 2018 by lyneux 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 The phoenix grey i really think is spot on.. which grey is it ? It's Phoenix P213 ARC Mid Grey (Merlin Grey). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Like I said you get two types, one full valance and one with a cutout for the coupling... There's no need for a third one And for those who don't want to fit standard couplings or have a hole in the valance...? I hope they follow Hornbys sensible approach akin to the Class 60 by providing a spare of each allowing the user to choose which valance they want at both ends. Ie the model should come with 4, 2 already fitted and 2 spares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted November 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 29, 2018 And for those who don't want to fit standard couplings or have a hole in the valance...? I hope they follow Hornbys sensible approach akin to the Class 60 by providing a spare of each allowing the user to choose which valance they want at both ends. Ie the model should come with 4, 2 already fitted and 2 spares. I suspect that the two of you are slightly at cross purposes here, and that there will be two types of valance provided, one with cut outs and one without, and that there will be a pair of each, as with most other similar locos - the Hornby 60, and as managed by even Lima on their 59, 60, 66 and 67. (This is one thing I think that really lets the Bachmann 66 down, as the valance is a big part of the "face" of the loco, it always grates to see them missing on otherwise well detailed models, especially since it is possible to fit representations and still allow the tension lock coupling to swing through almost its full arc.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 And for those who don't want to fit standard couplings or have a hole in the valance...? I hope they follow Hornbys sensible approach akin to the Class 60 by providing a spare of each allowing the user to choose which valance they want at both ends. Ie the model should come with 4, 2 already fitted and 2 spares. I'm pretty sure my English is simple enough. I have no idea what is confusing you. Dapol will provide two types of valances. One is a full one with absolutely no cutout for use on the ends you wish to detail. If you do not want to detail the ends and have couplings fitted, they will provide valances with a cutout so that the NEM pocket can be accessed and used to fit a coupling of your choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) The valances are not part of the bogie frame. The attach to the body. You'll get one full one and another with a cutout for the coupling.Sorry but I agree with SouthernMafia. Read back your own post. That is ambiguous English. It implies you will only get two, not two types! Guy Edited November 30, 2018 by lyneux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 From the Hatton's website.... 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 Also posted on the Dapol digest just now. Just noticed on the 59/0 (Yeoman model) the marker lights are too big. The tails and markers are the same size on the real loco (the red and white lights each side, not the central main headlight). If these are in the plastic, presume it's too late to fix Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 I’m looking forward to the DB red one as that really fits my modelling era although not sure what it will haul yet. A nice set of the revolution boxes would be ideal. I would like the iconic Silver Yeoman one too as I I had the original Lima Model when it first came out. Thanks Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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