Duchy Wheeler Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Thought a list of the models issued thus far might be of interest. 30-200 L.91 1991 Bachmann SET 30-200 30-201 L.99 1993 Bachmann SET 30-201 31-903 L.94 1999 LONDON TRANSPORT MUSEUM 32-210Z L.95 2007 KERNOW MODEL CENTRE 32-217 L.89 2011 Bachmann 30-076 L.97 2012 MIDNIGHT MET. SET 30-076 32-217Z L.94 2013 LTM '150' EDITION 32-217? L.90 2013 MIDNIGHT MET. SET 30-077 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Not many people are aware that the first two panniers L.90 and L.91, both delivered to LT from Swindon in 1956, were painted red by Swindon and photographs indicate that a lighter red was used. Both were returned to Swindon for repair (1961 & 1960 respectively) but condemned and replaced by two othes. These also became L.90 and L.91. So in fact LT had a total of 13 panniers but only 11 in service at any one time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I was looking at using L91. Was there much visible difference between the first and second loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchy Wheeler Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 I was looking at using L91. Was there much visible difference between the first and second loco? Not really for the modeller. The 'Red Pannier' book gives full details on all the loco and is really essential reading on the subject. Currently listed on eBay at £27 plus postage. Regarding the Bachmann models, the first three issues have an earlier 'Mainline' design chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Yes 'Red Panniers' is the Bible for these. May be available in libraries. There are minor differences, for example the original L.90 had riveted tanks whereas the original L.91 had welded tanks with smooth sides, but in fact most ended up being retrofitted with welded tanks. The Bachmann models are just 57xx's repainted but to be authentic it's not too difficult to fabricate trip cocks and do the minor roofline/gutter changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Blake Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Does anyone supply brass parts of the Pannier Trip-cock. Surely with a RTR market, someone must supply them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm not aware of any - perhaps Phil at Radley could be persuaded to do some. However they are not hard to make from brass or styrene. Here's a picture of my modified Bachmann 57xx. The trip cock is below the injector on the left side and further forward on the right side. You can also see the cab roof gutter repositioning - moved inboard slightly. See my earlier post reference the brighter red livery. This is the first L91. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'm not aware of any. There was a query on the Hornby J15 thread a while back. In the end the chap made his own. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/80950-Hornby-announce-j15/page-22 Scroll down to #541 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Blake Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Very Nice Model Jeff. A pity I can't find a close up photograph of the Trip cock, it would be good to see something other than blue prints, to get an idea of what it would look like in the flesh. I was also thinking of adding the wooden beam which was mounted underneath the front step plate, they carried brushes to sweep on the positive rails. This was featured on the 2nd version of L90 I believe along with a few others.As for the roof gutters, I noticed that many panniers had what looked like a second gutter or bar of some sort on the top sides of the cab. L91 like in your model didn't have this.Patrick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted January 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2016 Due to lighting conditions this one has its roof detail highlighted better than most pics Chesterfield Derbyshire February 1970 by loose_grip_99, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Patrick - yes due to the slight variations between the original pair of panniers and the later ones I stuck to using photos of L91 (1) as reference. There are several nice colour photos of locos in Red Panniers clearly showing the trip cocks but in a quick look I couldn't see any close ups. I did notice that the trip cock on the right hand side is actually behind the forward steps. I'm sure I modelled it like that but the loco is currently in a display case left side out..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arun Sharma Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 7mm tripcocks + their pipework are available from Radley Models and are on Phil's website under "7mm scenics" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Patrick - a further flick through Red Panniers found a picture on page 41 of the right side trip cock but unfortunately it is behind the front steps and in fact the picture was presumably taken to show the snow brushes. It's not exactly clear on Radley's site just what the lost wax castings are. These are presumably more visible in 7mm but you still have to provide the support for the L/H one and according to photos and drawings the vacuum line goes straight into the top of the cock. In 4mm it is really just necessary to add pipes to run behind the bracket and steps and continuing below the bottom, filed to a point to simulate the moving trip part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Just went to put Red Panniers back on the shelf and realized that the picture on the front cover, with smaller version on page 29, shows the left side trip cock and trigger (if that's the right word) behind the bracket. Also pages 78 and 79 show L89 taking on water at Watford with good close ups of the additional weather-strip that seems to feature on all the later panniers. It appears to be added by replacing the original horizontal rivets that attach the roof corner angle iron. It has a bead on the lower edge that runs above the cab cut-out bead. All the panniers that made it to preservation (including L89) seem to have retained this feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger7248 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 For Information L.91 is running this season at Chinnor & Princes Risborough Railway. Please check the website for running dates and times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 It's L92 at Chinnor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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