Bon Accord Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 The young chap who never knew the BR steam era and so Flying Scotsman in apple green is the only nostalgic livery to him was something I hadn't considered. So there must come a day when young folk only remember a certain 'Castle' and 'Hall' in Holywood maroon! In the same way we older guys don't really get turned on by gleaming preserved locos when all we remember was the grimy steam-era of the 1940's and 50's. Maybe hard to imagine now, but I only ever saw one gleaming steam loco fresh out of Works (Horwich) in 25 years and it happened to be an Ivatt 'Mucky duck'...!!! Not forgetting that there were plenty of older gentlemen around who saw the post 1948 railway as very depressing, drab and unexciting compared to the optimism and splendour (and general cleanliness) of the inter war period. Even older gentlemen felt much the same against both the interwar and post 1948 period with a preference for those years upto 1914 when just about everything railway related really did gleam. Just goes to show it's all swings and roundabouts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2016 5 years ago or so (was it that long?) when it was "nearing" completion", the NRM stated that FS would be "run in " in psuedo wartime black livery, aka black undercoat. To this end it would carry a different - but apparently historically correct for the colour - number on each cabside. Hence 502 and 103. Then the infamous "further work is needed" saga..... so the black undercoat and numbers stayed. The work has been finished, a repaint of the undercoat has not been necessary so the numbers remain. But the smokebox door has had the 60103 plate added ready for when the top coat of green is added (Feb/March?). Obviously the cab will be painted, so 60103 will be added there. As for the 98872, isn't this carried inside the cab? ThTOPS identity, which all mainline steam now have allocated, not sure if they are all carried. Simples.... Stewart Last time I looked in a steam cab, the loco number painted inside was 98568. Quick quiz- Anybody know which that one is? Without looking at the attached list..... For info, The number is made up of 98 for the class, the third digit is their power classification (using the BR description) and digits 4 & 5 usually correspond to the last two of it's preserved identity. There are anomalies as using this system, some numbers are duplicated (76079 and 80079 for example) and then there's cases where the loco may have carried two (or more) numbers in its previous life. This is an out of date list, but certainly explains it well. Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) The young chap who never knew the BR steam era and so Flying Scotsman in apple green is the only nostalgic livery to him was something I hadn't considered. So there must come a day when young folk only remember a certain 'Castle' and 'Hall' in Holywood maroon! In the same way we older guys don't really get turned on by gleaming preserved locos when all we remember was the grimy steam-era of the 1940's and 50's. Maybe hard to imagine now, but I only ever saw one gleaming steam loco fresh out of Works (Horwich) in 25 years and it happened to be an Ivatt 'Mucky duck'...!!! Flying Scotsman has been in preservation since 1963 so the youngest people who did know the engine in BR steam days are getting on for 60. They aren't "young chaps". Roughly 3/4 of the British population have been born since 1963. Edited January 21, 2016 by asmay2002 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2016 The young chap who never knew the BR steam era and so Flying Scotsman in apple green is the only nostalgic livery to him was something I hadn't considered. Not even that young. Late 40s to even be alive whilst BR steam was still running, so a minimum of in your 50s to remember it. As someone nearly 40 it all feels like another age, it seems quite strange to think that it ended only eight years before I was born. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Latest from Ian Riley on Wednesday evening is that the testing and examinations are all complete and they were awaiting the VAB paperwork. In the meantime some of his team have also been at the NYMR preparing 44871 for this weekend which has included dropping the trailing axle and re-weighing the loco prior to lighting up and moving to Bury via the NRM today. Timings on realtime trains at http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U50581/2016/01/22/advanced and http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U50586/2016/01/22/advanced 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) This is an out of date list, but certainly explains it well. Cheers, Mick I always thought the Ivatt 2 2-6-0 were British built, not French! (look on the list at the TOPS Diagram for 46441.......) HiViz coat on and out of here...... Stewart Edited January 22, 2016 by stewartingram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2016 Excellent new from Riley's - just got to get the pen pushers to do their bit and we can see her stretch her legs again where she belongs. An emotional week no doubt for some ranging from disappointment at some snags (hardly unexpected I suspect) to delight when the shagging is completed. Hopefully there is a feeling of a job well done around as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2016 So there must come a day when young folk only remember a certain 'Castle' and 'Hall' in Holywood maroon! Ive never seen a 'Castle' in maroon. I've seen a 'Hall' pretending to be a 'Castle' though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2016 Excellent new from Riley's - just got to get the pen pushers to do their bit and we can see her stretch her legs again where she belongs. An emotional week no doubt for some ranging from disappointment at some snags (hardly unexpected I suspect) to delight when the shagging is completed. Hopefully there is a feeling of a job well done around as well. I lke the freudian slip in this post, you wouldn't have thought they'd have time for that at the moment.... Word has it that following West Coast's troubles the pen pushers job is somewhat more complex now. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 to delight when the shagging is completed. Me too, although that has nothing to do with Flying Scotsman! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2016 Excellent.... we can see her stretch her legs again ...... An emotional week no doubt for some ranging from disappointment at some snags (hardly unexpected I suspect) to delight when the shagging is completed. Hopefully there is a feeling... Do tell us more about the shagging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2016 I lke the freudian slip in this post, you wouldn't have thought they'd have time for that at the moment.... Word has it that following West Coast's troubles the pen pushers job is somewhat more complex now. I suspect ot might be more a matter of doing what they were supposed to be doing all along plus probably somebody checking that they are doing what they are supposed to be doing in the manner of the ISA (Independent Safety Assessment) process. and the latter can take up a lot of time and involve a lot of to'ing & fro'ing with questions and answers all of which have to be documented in considerable detail and eventually signed off. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2016 Drat, drat and drat! Fat finger syndrome (aka FFS) has struck - where is "h" relative to "n" on the keyboard? (or is that keybroad given the context) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I suspect ot might be more a matter of doing what they were supposed to be doing all along plus probably somebody checking that they are doing what they are supposed to be doing in the manner of the ISA (Independent Safety Assessment) process. and the latter can take up a lot of time and involve a lot of to'ing & fro'ing with questions and answers all of which have to be documented in considerable detail and eventually signed off. Always a good diversionary tactic in organisational consultations when the Staff side weren't making much progress was to get the conversation round to "...but whose job is it to check the person who is checking it's done right?" Management Chairman usually lost his thread and called a tea break. Edited January 22, 2016 by TheSignalEngineer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 Last time I looked in a steam cab, the loco number painted inside was 98568. Quick quiz- Anybody know which that one is? Without looking at the attached list..... I don't think I should comment! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2016 see her stretch her legs delight when the shagging is completed. Hopefully there is a feeling. I do hope so! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumbleweed Posted January 24, 2016 Share Posted January 24, 2016 Just seen an article on the Torygraph website, mainline running apparently on hold while brakes are "fine tuned"......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 From RTC now due on Feb 6 WCME.... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted January 25, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2016 I arranged a day off work for the original test run. Wonder when it will be now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Quote from Ian Riley posted on Sunday: "AS far as we are now concerned, 60103 is now complete, run-in and ready for Mainline Testing at accelerated speeds and loads.All of our specialist and competent persons are happy with their, and our work.The necessary scrutiny and paperwork is now in the hands of the V.A.B., once they issue their paperwork, it is down to N.R. to process it as they see fit, then a 'Mainline' test routine can then be instigated." There is no news as to when the 'official' light and loaded test runs will take place, just that they will be before the railtour on the 6th February. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted January 26, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2016 There is a move booked for her from Bury to Carnforth tomorrow, leaving at 14:05 (5Z72) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 26, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2016 There is a move booked for her from Bury to Carnforth tomorrow, leaving at 14:05 (5Z72) There is an earlier 0Z72 from Carnforth to Castleton. Maybe one of WCRC diesels as backup? Here's 5Z72 for info. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted January 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2016 She is shown as engine, support coach and diesel as the consist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted January 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2016 0Z72 has been activated (at 05:41 this morning) so the diesel move at 10:40 seems to have the go ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted January 27, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2016 Diesel move is under way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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