BR(S) Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I've just been sent the pictures below of a damaged 57312. Apparently, it occurred in a shunting incident in Basford Hall Yard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrag Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Hmm a serious case of mazak rot possibly? Hope it gets well soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Bit of Cataloy and a hammer - be as good as new Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Nice shot of the pipework to the drivers brake valve.... It got off lightly, could have been worse. Driver was OK, thank goodness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted November 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2015 The plate seems to be bent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 It will T-Cut out........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 20, 2015 Send it to Hither Green. They famously repaired the same sort of damage to a Class 33 way back when using the only sheet of metal they could find presumably lying around the yard as a result of which the aforementioned loco had an armour plated cab side for many years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Send it to Hither Green. They famously repaired the same sort of damage to a Class 33 way back when using the only sheet of metal they could find presumably lying around the yard as a result of which the aforementioned loco had an armour plated cab side for many years! Which would be useful if you are travelling to certain parts of the country! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 The plate seems to be bent. Nahh! I'm sure they obtained it legitimately! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2015 I hope Rail Express don't announce it as their new limited edition next week............... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted November 21, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2015 I hope that buffer spring doesn't fall out, if it gets in the carpet they'll never see it again. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Worse, if the body clip is broken then it will fall off completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Brunel Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Some of the pipework's come undone, they'll have to ask Mr Jeremiah Jobling for his boot-laces... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 What's all the gubbins under the yellow cloth, middle front, with what looks like shock absorber / pneumatic ram ? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted November 23, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2015 What's all the gubbins under the yellow cloth, middle front, with what looks like shock absorber / pneumatic ram ? Regards It is a DCC controlled height adjustable tension lock coupler in raised position. It is needed to overcome the problem of different manufacturers putting the NEM pocket at different heights. ColinK PS it's actually a retractable coupling (Dellner I think) used to rescue certain types of trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
58050 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yup, Dellner - specifically fitted for coupling to Pendolinos when the 57/3s worked for Virgin. IIRC they can couple up to Electrostars too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 many thanks, so it is like models, couplings are not standard, what numpties wrote specifications for allowing trains on the tracks which couldn't couple up ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yup, Dellner - specifically fitted for coupling to Pendolinos when the 57/3s worked for Virgin. IIRC they can couple up to Electrostars too. And can haul Desiro's as well. Although the DRS 57s have all received modifications to the coupler heights - originally the Dellners on the 57s were compatible with the Pendolinos, but not that of a Desiro & Electrostar (Same coupling, all set up at Differing heights). At least 2 57/3s have also received Tightlock couplers in place of the Dellners, a feature installed during some of the classes rather limited Network Rail days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Some of the pipework's come undone, they'll have to ask Mr Jeremiah Jobling for his boot-laces... And some newspaper? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 When they are repairing that I wounder if they might patch up that awful hole that some vandal ripped into the front. Also there's no excuse for putting large LED's on a vintage locomotive. If they ask Brian at Shawplan nicely he might even design a new roof etch so they can return it back to a Sulzer powered machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The engineers who designed trains are rarely going to be "numpties", Duncan.The evolution of couplings is simply down to changing technology and requirements.Once 3 link and screw couplings were standard, then the buckeye came along. The buckeye served its purpose well, but then technology moved onto BSI couplers- they were fully automatic and could be operated by the driver rather than a shunter having to drop down onto the tracks (wages saved plus not a very nice task). Yes there are several types of couplers now- primarily BSI, Dellner, standard buckeyes and screw couplings. Each serves a purpose and short of retro fitting older trains with modern couplings (EVERY item of rolling stock too) how are you going to standardise?This is the same type of thinking that recently questioned why anyone bothered with the first generation of diesels when the second generation was so much more successful. I am not really sure how you can argue that point. Why did Ford build the model T when everyone knows the Mondeo was far faster, smoother and had more comfort? He'd have been better going straight to the modern designs. many thanks, so it is like models, couplings are not standard, what numpties wrote specifications for allowing trains on the tracks which couldn't couple up ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I think the person was using the word numpties in reference to the fact that the virgin poo tubes have the same coupler as the electrostars and desiro's but the actual height of the coupler varies between the EMUs and the virgin units. That means a rescue loco can be fitted to work with either the EMU or the pendo. As to coupling comparability, it isn't impossible. Porterbrook managed it when they specified the first DMU orders after BR. They made sure they were compatable with the old sprinters and had the same couplers fitted. I was working on a TPE 158 once when the hope valley line had been closed for a while, and we ran a Liverpool Norwich 170 and a Manchester cleethorpes 158 together to Sheffield, to minimise delays and make the most of the line capacity. You couldn't do that now with the 185. And you have the situation now where the 170s going to southern from scotrail (IIRC) cannot be used as is, and require modification to fit delliners to make them work with the 171s they already have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I thought those couplers that they inflicted on the otherwise attractive Brush 4 could be raised and lowered slightly for that very reason. It seems bizarre that they can be built to retract and yet cannot make minor adaptions with height. I suppose if the internet had been around in 1960's people would be arguing about the different coupling codes for locomotives and DMUs "What numpty (or equivalent 1960's parlance) designed the class 50 (orange square) to be incompatible with a class 40 (blue star)?" etc BTW I like that picture you've put up of the unspeakable one but I think it is far too polite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted November 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2015 Some one once observed that the only coupling compatible with all the variations through Europe was the good old 3 link. Does that still hold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Careful- they'll probably set up an eu commission at the cost of billions to find out. Some one once observed that the only coupling compatible with all the variations through Europe was the good old 3 link. Does that still hold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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