rembrow Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Is that regent logo on a separate plaque? Need to remove from ones I buy as were debranded by my era.... Phil Phil The Regent logo is proud of the tank side in the same way as the Esso oval logo is, so they must be applied as separate items. They are however very close fits on to the side, with exactly the same curvature and I couldn't see any visible gap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2017 Many thanks! Alternative is to buy the departmentals and redo the transfers..... Think I need one of each then to explore..... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 1, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) Many thanks! Alternative is to buy the departmentals and redo the transfers..... Think I need one of each then to explore..... Phil Hi Phil A sharp knife and a heavy hand and they look like they will ping off. You then have to add all those bolts in the oval shape where the logo had been. I am quite surprised that no one has asked "How do they compare with the Airfix/Dapol model?" Well it is a bit like comparing a Ford Anglia with a new Ford Fiesta. I still like the Aifix model and for its time (and a long time after) was great. Will I run my new ones on the same layout as my old kits , yes and knowing me in the same train despite the visual improvement of the Heljan ones. Not too keen on the couplings coming in a separate bag and having to fit them myself. I suppose it makes it easy for those who wish to fit alternatives. There is a hook for a screw coupling but looking at the buffer beam area I cannot see how easy it would be to replace this with a scale screw coupling. Tension locks and kadees etc. defeat the purpose of sprung buffers. Really looking forward to getting some A tanks and when they come out some Oxford ones as well. Edited February 1, 2017 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1, 2017 Cheers Clive ! And yep bolts would be needed..... Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Cheers Clive ! And yep bolts would be needed..... Phil I think you may just have redefined "masochism" ................. !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Silly Q Where did the United Molasses tanks work from / to ? I only ever saw them at the great Wellingborough pre-scrapping gathering and t'internet is proving a dead end ............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Silly Q Where did the United Molasses tanks work from / to ? I only ever saw them at the great Wellingborough pre-scrapping gathering and t'internet is proving a dead end ............ I saw them in Bristol in the mid-1970s- I think they worked to Distillers' yeast plant on the Avonside branch. They also worked to a Scottish distillery- was it Menstrie or Cameron Bridge? They loaded at somewhere in Western Scotland, but also from various British Sugar plants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I saw them in Bristol in the mid-1970s- I think they worked to Distillers' yeast plant on the Avonside branch. They also worked to a Scottish distillery- was it Menstrie or Cameron Bridge? They loaded at somewhere in Western Scotland, but also from various British Sugar plants. .... such as BSC York http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/ecc53061 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/e8f17c8 - which shows they were working with the (TMC) sugar covhops. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I saw them in Bristol in the mid-1970s- I think they worked to Distillers' yeast plant on the Avonside branch. They also worked to a Scottish distillery- was it Menstrie or Cameron Bridge? They loaded at somewhere in Western Scotland, but also from various British Sugar plants. Funnily enough we were just discussing this on the Oxford B tank wagons thread. Molasses were delivered to "the distillery" in Menstrie as it was known by way of Alloa branch from Stirling and reversal at Alloa / later Cambus. Despite being known as the distillery locally, it appears that whisky stopped being produced on this site in 1929 and by time I knew it in early 90s the site was also a yeast factory - I think initially Distillers and definitely Quest International (Unilever subsidiary) by mid 90s as I interned there - now Kerry Foods. I'll not repeat whole discussion here but more details are on the thread over on Oxford area if anyone interested. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolipop Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I saw them in Bristol in the mid-1970s- I think they worked to Distillers' yeast plant on the Avonside branch. They also worked to a Scottish distillery- was it Menstrie or Cameron Bridge? They loaded at somewhere in Western Scotland, but also from various British Sugar plants. Here is a photograph taken by myself in the late 1950s at Avonmouth old dock, athel tankers discharged at N shed berth. Dave 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 .... such as BSC York http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/ecc53061 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/e8f17c8 - which shows they were working with the (TMC) sugar covhops. Paul They were regularly seen coming on and off King George dock at Hull going to/from various parts of the UM network and sugar refineries. Al Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) I would imagine they are weld lines. Yep they are raised butt welds where the tube components making up the main tank are joined horizontally and vertically. Airfix tanks had them. Very visible under certain lighting and weathering conditions. Although this shows a TTA it shows how the weld was raised. Not to difficult to replicate. Regarding the United Molasses Tanks there is plenty of photographs of their tanks heading North on the freight lines at Newcastle Central during the early/mid 1960's. Tanks in the trains were of a variety of types & diagrams with the train being usually being 9f hauled, so that loco was probably changed at Heaton yard. P Edited February 3, 2017 by Porcy Mane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted February 3, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2017 Operation of these wagons is also discussed on theRevolutioN thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/114706-revolution-announce-class-b-tanks-for-n-gauge/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Whilst continuing further research on these wagons I have recently come across an image of a Mobil Coryton diesel shunter hauling a rake of Class A Mobil 35t. GLW (TSV) tankers along the Corringham branch. The livery looks to be silver or grey and and they just have the Mobil emblem on them without any Charrington logos. They look like they may be numbered 601 and 602 (the two that I can identify) and further research has confirmed that they had 44 of them. They seemed to have been used on Thameshaven-Coventry/Nuneaton workings for about four or five years then disappeared. The make up of this block train was interesting as it was split into two at Rugby with the 12 Charrington B tank branded wagons going to their own distribution centre with the 20 Class A tankers going to another address and as a result the consist from Ripple Lane included three brake vans and two barrier wagons. As a lot of these wagons were rather short lived on company block trains due to the advent of the 45t.GLW TTA it would be interesting to find out where they ended up. I assume that as Mobil and Powell Duffryn had an ownership relationship then they were probably leased to another company. I can find no reference to these tankers in any of the specialist wagon books so any info, especially a colour image, would be extremely welcome. I do have a very poor image of the complete consist leaving the branch at Thameshaven in the early sixties hauled by a pair of Brush Type 2's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2017 Downendian has a rake of 4 Esso B tanks that we ran on Abbotswood at Newbury last weekend Behaved impeccably - that was good news Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2017 I saw them in Bristol in the mid-1970s- I think they worked to Distillers' yeast plant on the Avonside branch. They also worked to a Scottish distillery- was it Menstrie or Cameron Bridge? They loaded at somewhere in Western Scotland, but also from various British Sugar plants. There was a United Molasses plant in Greenock. That'll be the location in Western Scotland . I only became aware of United Molasses because of the Mainline Railways tank! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I've had a pre order advice that the 'A' type tanks are due in from 27th Feb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Some photos of the United Molasses models United Molasses tank UM205 Prototype is here http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/e12f89923 United Molasses tank UM252 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/e733b964 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/unitedmolasses/e8c2341a Enjoy Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 And the Mobil Charringtons tanks Heljan Item 1108 Charringtons 249 Heljan Item 1109 Charringtons 201 Paul 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 They look good, picking mine up at Model rail Scotland from Harburn Hobbies. Departmental Black and Esso but might pick up one of the above for a bit of colour and variety did the Charringtons run in block trains or mixed trains? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 They look good, picking mine up at Model rail Scotland from Harburn Hobbies. Departmental Black and Esso but might pick up one of the above for a bit of colour and variety did the Charringtons run in block trains or mixed trains? See post #91 skunny. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Someone mentioned that they came with stepped tension lock couplers. Does this mean that the NEM pockets are the wrong height? Could be a problem for me as I use Kadees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 I did what I usually do with Heljan models, and fitted straight tension lock couplers from Bachmann or Hornby. They seem to be correct height, at least against the Airfix/Dapol class B tank wagons I have built as well. I have yet to test against anything else, but watch this space (as the saying goes!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 Someone mentioned that they came with stepped tension lock couplers. Does this mean that the NEM pockets are the wrong height? Could be a problem for me as I use Kadees. kadees slotted in fine with no adjustment required. most of them didn't even display the common droop and passed the test on height check before straight into service. Actually one of the quickest fleets to fit with kadees yet -shame I ran out of #19s half way through... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) See post #91 skunny.Oops sorry I read the start of post about Mobil grey tanks but assumed the wagon were grey you mentioned and didn't click it was the red charringtons later in the post. The train of twelve that split at Rugby could be nice small train to replicate in model form Edited February 17, 2017 by shunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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