pauliebanger Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Or, alternatively, a negative one from you: pot calling the kettle black. I recall several posts from TG in which he mentions the glazing in a negative way. Perhaps your memory is more selective? Vent your frustration if you feel the need, but please make sure your comments are accurate - after all, it's accuracy you demand from others, isn't it? So which then are you? Pot or Kettle? Kind regards, Paul Edited to add a punctuation mark, for clarity Edited December 15, 2015 by pauliebanger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 That's the original offer letter. Here's a link to the current web page... http://sulzertype2.co.uk/page.php?p=purchase Well that should stop some bitching, one price for all which is good. Does that mean they are flying off the shelves, not selling at all or SLW \ RE have taken on board comments about a split pricing structure? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Well that should stop some bitching, one price for all which is good. Does that mean they are flying off the shelves, not selling at all or SLW \ RE have taken on board comments about a split pricing structure? Some bitching, perhaps. I suspect that the commited 'anti' camp will just re-group and start again with another distraction. It doesn't need to be any of the reasons you have suggested, but I imagine you will never get a definitive answer from SLW. Others are bound to speculate, but that's all it will be - guesswork, with a seasoning of bias. Here's my contribution. It's Christmas time and Philip Sutton has been moved by the warm glow of the success of this launch to extend the offer to all so that there is something to look forward to during the post Christmas blues. Kind regards, Paul 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 ...or simply an error on their part, hence my referral to the original offer. I seem to recall there was also a statement re discounting on models as not being part of their trading terms from the outset. No doubt all will become clear tomorrow...:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 A maxim the moaners might take to heart. If folk don't like what is being offered or the way it is being sold then walk away and leave it alone - don't keep clogging up these columns PLEASE! Which, if applied to the topics relating to any RTR manufacturers' products or distribution system, would mean that RMweb was a much quieter place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) ...or simply an error on their part, hence my referral to the original offer. I seem to recall there was also a statement re discounting on models as not being part of their trading terms from the outset. No doubt all will become clear tomorrow...:-) Don't forget that this whole approach has been one of providing pleasing surprises. I suppose the point about discounting is moot. (And we'll likely get a series of Experts from different camps displaying their specialist knowledge in this area) If they have only ever been available for purchase at £160, then offering to all at £160 is not really discounting is it? Discuss. Lol. Kind regards, Paul Edited December 15, 2015 by pauliebanger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I really don't have a problem with it at all. I only raised it so others are prepared that it might be a higher price than they expected. Of course you could argue that the 'loyal customer base' are now missing out on the discount they were offered up front... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesfeldian Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Enough talk of prices - we want more grille shots!! https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijm6qr1fuf6g5wu/File%2015-12-2015%2C%203%2043%2047%20pm.jpeg?dl=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I got an e-mail this afternoon to the effect that mine has been despatched. I'm very excited by the novel prospect of counting radiator slats instead of rivets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Hawkins Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I have 24 081 with sound fitted on the way, thanks to a good friend of mine, just hope the fat bloke with the white beard gets his finger out ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ghost of IKB Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Stop moaning you miserable bunch!! It's all very simple. A new model from a new company. No waiting for years for it to go to market - so nothing to complain about there. Is it perfect - no but it's significantly better than anything gone before it. Is it worth it - well it will be worth different amounts to each of us dependant on how much disposable income you've got and how much you want one. And if anyone thinks there's any unfairness in established customers getting first dibs on it - then don't whatever you do think of going to a football match without a season ticket! If you think SLW are unfair try paying £55 for your seat at a PL match whilst the bloke with the season ticket next to you paid £20. As for marketing all this moaning mean they had this thread at the top of the page for days - excellent free advertising there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Enough talk of prices - we want more grille shots!! There you go: This is quite good for comparison use. https://flic.kr/p/cuJty5 as is this: 24081 by Richard Tupholme, on Flickr and then there's this: https://flic.kr/p/dJAuVg Images selected so you can zoom them to minimise Moiré. Interesting that SLW have chosen to represent the join of the overlaid skirt around the nose with a groove. I got an e-mail this afternoon to the effect that mine has been despatched. I'm very excited by the novel prospect of counting radiator slats instead of rivets. No need to. Here's part of an image from my collection. Miniscule part of a 4¼ x 6½ glass plate. A Sulzer two, having travelled less than a mile after out-shopping from Darlo works in 1960. To leave those grills unpainted, those Darlo men must have been thinking about us modellers some 55 years into the future, debating the pros and cons of the grills. I'll let the pic of the grills (both model and prototype) do their own talking. P Edited December 15, 2015 by Porcy Mane 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2015 I got an e-mail this afternoon to the effect that mine has been despatched. I'm very excited by the novel prospect of counting radiator slats instead of rivets. Moi aussi.Oh Lord,it's on it's way......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2015 Great looking model but why don't have a raised "BIS" panel, the real one is flush with the bodywork, I should know as I've thrown some paint at two of then and co own one ( 24081/D5054) The BIS cover is a separate part which unclips to reveal the BIS gubbins beneath! Picked up my blue/em/noisy one from the post office earlier, it's now sat on the rolling road just chuntering away to itself. Initial impressions are very, very good - the shape and proportions are good, the model captures the feel of the 24 well. Colour and finish are very good with both blue and yellow shades correct. There's a scattering of other printed labels and the like which are all legible. The flat cabside handrails are metal, correctly, as are the cab front and assorted other small grabs. The detailing is excellent - easily the best I've seen on any UK RTR diesel (and better than most US or Continental models). There are some add-on parts (undercab tanks) and it's nice (as a screw-link man) not needing to detail up the bufferbeams, it's all there ready to go and in very fine detail too. The MU cables will even unplug from the socket. Solebars, bogies and undergubbins are exquisite, though the sandpipes are a ways from aligning with the wheel/rail interface. Only had a quick play, but the running quality is top-notch and the sound utterly convincing in both the noise itself and how it ties in with the movement of the loco. Will hopefully get some quality running in very soon. Onto the negative - the big rad grille does jar. The horizontals are too few and too skinny and the verticals are in the same plane. Will have a go at weathering the grille down to see if that changes the appearance. Perhaps weathering and then dry-brushing blue onto the slats. The smaller side grilles were a little patchy in terms of paint coverage, but again will see what some weathering does. All were applied square and true on mine, no issues there. And the glazing does suffer a prismatic effect. Will try the black pen in due course. Small points, which may or may not be relevant to all, but the grille is the one that irks me the most. Hopefully, RE/SLWs stated aim of continual improvement will see these small issues corrected on future models. Despite this being easily my most expensive single loco purchase (by a factor of at least two... and I model German HO, US HO and UK O!), I definitely feel I have got value for money and a high quality, high value model. My only fear (in the nicest possible way) is RE/SLW will start producing all the many, many Class 25s I'd like to have! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) With respect Dave have you heard the phrase "I disagree, Sir, with what you say. But I'll fight to the death your right to say it." ? He is only making a comment that he thinks the marketing method is poor. I can see his point even though I might not necessarily agree with it. I am very much of the opinion now that many posts on this thread- even those praising SLW- are proving counter-productive to the future interests of their operation. By contrast, the comments by Mr Cloggydog above have proven to be objective, interesting and useful. This bickering back and fore is getting most tiresome. (I mean that comment generally and not aimed at anyone in particular- not even the Romans) Mornin' all, Has anyone found a positive comment from John on this thread yet? Dave Edited December 15, 2015 by Derekstuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2015 I assume Derek that you are referring to the Shakespearean take on the Romans ? If otherwise,perhaps you would enlighten us as to what exactly your analogy is. A choice between between burying and praising a manufacturer of model railways is perhaps a trifle drastic. Yes,the thread has become tiresome and overblown with it would seem overdoses of self indulgence which stretch the bounds of tolerance and credibility to snapping point. And at this moment in time,I am minded to take cognisance of no one's point of view. ....even lacking the will to defend freedom of speech,especially when as such it presents as vexatious ,intolerant and annoying. I have purchased this model.I look forward to receiving it.Its merits I will judge for myself and hopefully enjoy.It will not be perfect. It is a model replica of a machine which ran/runs on rails.Ergo,perfection is not to be had,despite many attempts to convince me otherwise. This thread to date is not RMweb's finest hour.Please now let's cease prognosticatons and hostilities.Post mortems are for a coroner's inquest.Let the matter drop. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47606odin Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Well, feeling frustrated, i am on the list for pre ordering and despite giving me a reply to the first email with costs to Australia, i have requested to pay for a loco 4 times now and had no further response. i have also received the reminder email saying if i don't buy one before todays deadline, the loco will be general release and i may not get what i want Jamie! i want D5000 sound fitted, will you get back to my emails please feel free to pass it on if anyone can give him a nudge. (otherwise it will be a rebuilt bullied for me instead) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Hello Ian I'm not sure I understand you fully. I am calling for an end to hostilities myself and it seems that you are criticising me for that, which you yourself are calling for. Maybe I've misunderstood you. Reference to the Romans was a follow on to earlier comments about Life of Brian and petty arguing over trivialities. I keep forgetting that there might be the one or two odd people who haven't seen it. As for Shakespeare, I must admit that I could never really become enthusiastic about his work and when presented with his texts would always wonder to read or not to read, is that not the question? Though through his madness, I could see method in it. So we should cry havoc and unleash the grills of models and remember that here we have a baby Sulzer fit for the gods. Or perhaps instead of quoting the Bard, it would be more appropriate to Quote Dante Alighieri, in respect of this threadLasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate / "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" I assume Derek that you are referring to the Shakespearean take on the Romans ? If otherwise,perhaps you would enlighten us as to what exactly your analogy is.A choice between between burying and praising a manufacturer of model railways is perhaps a trifle drastic.Yes,the thread has become tiresome and overblown with it would seem overdoses of self indulgence which stretch the bounds of tolerance and credibility to snapping point.And at this moment in time,I am minded to take cognisance of no one's point of view. ....even lacking the will to defend freedom of speech,especially when as such it presents as vexatious ,intolerant and annoying.I have purchased this model.I look forward to receiving it.Its merits I will judge for myself and hopefully enjoy.It will not be perfect.It is a model replica of a machine which ran/runs on rails.Ergo,perfection is not to be had,despite many attempts to convince me otherwise.This thread to date is not RMweb's finest hour.Please now let's cease prognosticatons and hostilities.Post mortems are for a coroner's inquest.Let the matter drop. Edited December 16, 2015 by Derekstuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I am shocked this model is being made in the UK and not China, it's about time someone brought it back to the UK. Looking at this loco I have never seen such detail before like this done on a 4mm loco, stunning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren01 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Makes the Bachmann one look like something from the 80's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueeighties Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Never before have I read so much tiresome bickering over a model train. Someone please, for the love of God, put this thread to rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2015 I am shocked this model is being made in the UK and not China, it's about time someone brought it back to the UK. Looking at this loco I have never seen such detail before like this done on a 4mm loco, stunning. The literature with the model says 'researched and designed in Great Britain, manufactured and assembled in China.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2015 I am shocked this model is being made in the UK and not China, it's about time someone brought it back to the UK. I wonder how much it would've cost then? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MickD Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 16, 2015 Well that's mine ordered. No problem getting through either. despite the Nay Sayers this is one model I am looking forward to getting. MickD. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted December 16, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2015 I can confirm that these wonderful little beasts are now on general release because I have just ordered a blue one. Although delivery will now be after Christmas. Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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