Wolf27 Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hi All I have a Heljan Class 15 that is a non runner and would like to modify it to represent one of the four pre heat unit. Favourite at the moment is ADB968000 which appear to have carried two shades of green. So far I have worked out that it was repainted around 84/85 into dark green with BR arrows, prior to this it looks like it was in a lighter green but only have found one pic so far. Does anyone have reliable info for repainting dates and shades of green used? Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 Hi Shane, It looks like ADB968000 was repainted into that weird green in March 1979. There is the link to it photographed at Stratford in July 1979. https://flic.kr/p/qSSw6G Regards Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wherry Lines Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) It was certainly light green in 1981. It was dark green by February 1985. Edited December 3, 2015 by Wherry Lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted December 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) This is my photo of it at Stratford in the light green. I know it looks different from the one two posts above, I may have been using a different brand of colour film compared to the the other photographer. Mine was Agfa Stratford MPD Class 15 ADB968000 mobile train heating unit July 79 C4637 David Edited December 3, 2015 by DaveF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) The light green used was Sherwood Green (the lighter shade on a class 25 and 47). I obtained a sample many years ago when it was being painted for a Stratford depot event in 1978. Dave beat me to it this time but it does demonstrate interpretation of colour by film manufacturers, mine being Kodak Ektachrone X Edited December 3, 2015 by BrushVeteran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 3, 2015 Author Share Posted December 3, 2015 Thanks for the swift replies, it looks like Sherwood green from 78 to 85, which will fit in with the plan. What colour before that then? I would assume weather beaten original green but SYP or FYE? cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wherry Lines Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Section removed - I should've said duck egg blue for the small cab panels, not sherwood green. Oops! D8243 probably had full yellow ends when in service, as this photo shows it wore the original two-tone green livery as a carriage heater in 1978. Edit: Just found this website which states: D8243 new 02/61, w/n 02/69 - FYE, small arrow logo, original numbers with 'D' 01/67. (Into departmental stock as ADB968000). No data panel when withdrawn. After use as pre-heating unit, loco cut up by V Berry, Leicester 02/91 Edited December 3, 2015 by Wherry Lines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2015 Sherwood Green was always used on the BTH's, but only on the cab end panels. The rest of the loco was the usual darker green. D8243 probably had full yellow ends when in service, as this photo shows it wore the original two-tone green livery as a carriage heater in 1978. Edit: Just found this website which states: D8243 new 02/61, w/n 02/69 - FYE, small arrow logo, original numbers with 'D' 01/67. (Into departmental stock as ADB968000). No data panel when withdrawn. After use as pre-heating unit, loco cut up by V Berry, Leicester 02/91 Hi Simon The cab fronts/ends were painted duck egg blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nth Degree Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I beg to differ on the point above. The 'as-built' green was BR Standard Green and the cab panels were not green or grey, but 'duck egg blue' as it is commonly named. This information comes straight from the Class 15 Preseration Society. The loco pictured was repainted in Sherwood Green. Bah! Beaten to it by Chris. In that case, the point above his! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2015 Were any painted blue as pre heat units? Also it appears from photographs that it was only no1 end that had ETH connections Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumbleweed Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 So after these locos were converted, could they no longer run under their own power? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted December 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2015 So after these locos were converted, could they no longer run under their own power? No,amongst other modifications they had their traction motors removed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wherry Lines Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 The cab fronts/ends were painted duck egg blue. Yes, I remember now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumbleweed Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 No,amongst other modifications they had their traction motors removed Would it not have been a sensible move to leave one traction motor in place, so the units could move themselves (but not haul anything)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray M Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Thanks for the swift replies, it looks like Sherwood green from 78 to 85, which will fit in with the plan. What colour before that then? I would assume weather beaten original green but SYP or FYE? cheers Shane I remember them all, in their original colours, in the early 70`s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Heljan's most recent batch of class 15s lists one as a carriage heating unit in Sherwood Green, which more or less confirms Shane's post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 And yet again there goes my plan to create something different. At least mine can be towed around. Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 ADB968000 was in BR as withdrawn livery, except for the number change and a bit tatty, until 1978 and then repainted as noted earlier. ADB968001 was in all over GSYP and Lion & Wheel emblem when I saw it in Stratford works in 1981. Photos of both locos can be found here. https://www.flickr.com/photos/95430950@N07/albums/72157641380484764/with/12707601884/ Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mcfarlane Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Random thought - if they couldn't move under their own power, why do they have yellow ends? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Izzy Posted December 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2015 Hi All I have a Heljan Class 15 that is a non runner and would like to modify it to represent one of the four pre heat unit. Favourite at the moment is ADB968000 which appear to have carried two shades of green. So far I have worked out that it was repainted around 84/85 into dark green with BR arrows, prior to this it looks like it was in a lighter green but only have found one pic so far. Does anyone have reliable info for repainting dates and shades of green used? Cheers Shane If you loco is a non-runner due to a defective motor, which it seems is an issue with some Heljan 15's and 16's, then visiting here :- http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/index.html might prove of interest - it's a great site with plently of inspiration anyway. Look at the November and December updates. They are currently experimenting with fitting Mitsumi motors supplied by Cambridge Custom Transfers (John Isherwood) as replacements from Howes aren't available at present. Izzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted December 4, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2015 Random thought - if they couldn't move under their own power, why do they have yellow ends? Because when first converted they were not repainted. When repainted it was done by Stratford who's painter was quite a whiz with the brush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Random thought - if they couldn't move under their own power, why do they have yellow ends? It is a bit odd considering that the ETHEL'S didn't have yellow ends and they were used on the mainline within train. Regards Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 If you loco is a non-runner due to a defective motor, which it seems is an issue with some Heljan 15's and 16's, then visiting here :- http://www.emgauge70s.co.uk/index.html might prove of interest - it's a great site with plently of inspiration anyway. Look at the November and December updates. They are currently experimenting with fitting Mitsumi motors supplied by Cambridge Custom Transfers (John Isherwood) as replacements from Howes aren't available at present. Izzy Thanks Izzy The motor is indeed one of the defective batch. I have stripped out all the internals which are going into a Claytons so the motor info is useful. I also have a class 14 with a duff motor. Wonder if it's the same type? Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Thanks Izzy The motor is indeed one of the defective batch. I have stripped out all the internals which are going into a Claytons so the motor info is useful. I also have a class 14 with a duff motor. Wonder if it's the same type? Hi Shane, when my dads 14 went up in smoke we got a replacement clayton motor from Howes and it was the same exept the 14 doesnt need the twin flywheels they come with, easy fix really. Hth Jamea Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 6, 2015 Author Share Posted December 6, 2015 Thanks Izzy The motor is indeed one of the defective batch. I have stripped out all the internals which are going into a Claytons so the motor info is useful. I also have a class 14 with a duff motor. Wonder if it's the same type? Hi Shane, when my dads 14 went up in smoke we got a replacement clayton motor from Howes and it was the same exept the 14 doesnt need the twin flywheels they come with, easy fix really. Hth Jamea Cheers Shane Thanks James, I have enquired about a replacement motor for the 14 so hopefully I can make it a runner in the new year. cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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