dasatcopthorne Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Dave, You continue to be a huge help. Thank you very much! My tank looks a little short, luckily I have some tube that's the same diameter. Nick, I actually have some Hurst ends. I bought them off ebay! I decided not to use them, frankly, even the MTK ones look better. Still, they gave me the inspiration I needed to actually start the project. I've had the mk3s put by for over 7 years, and a Bachmann 158 chassis that's been waiting for a year or so! Their power car undergear is also poor in comparison to Southern Pride, though the power bogie sideframes are pretty good. I was pretty surprised to be honest, especially given other models I've seen made from Hurst products. I'm not going to rush this project, I have an idea how I'm going to tackle it, but it will be one to carve away at when I'm feeling relaxed. Rich. I have plenty of 2Hap photos and underframe details. Have you decided on a unit number yet? Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Hi Dave, It'll be a 4-CAP in the 3301-3311 series. Cheers Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Hi Dave, It'll be a 4-CAP in the 3301-3311 series. Cheers Rich Rich. Got this off Wikipedia Class 413/3 Former 2Hap Units DTCsoL DMBSO DMLSO DTCsoL 3301 6055 + 6057 75373 61253 61255 75375 3302 6043 + 6046 75361 61241 61244 75364 3303 6052 + 6054 75370 61250 61252 75372 3304 6084 + 6085 75402 61282 61283 75403 3305 6081 + 6104 75399 61279 61302 75422 3306 6056 + 6058 75374 61254 61256 75376 3307 6060 + 6073 75378 61258 61271 75391 3308 6048 + 6066 75366 61246 61264 75384 3309 6053 + 6059 75371 61251 61257 75377 3310 6045 + 6061 75363 61243 61259 75379 3311 6093 + 6099 75411 61291 61297 75417 You'll be taking all that piping off the roofs then except for the bog tank filler! Dave Edited December 18, 2015 by dasatcopthorne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Again, thank you Dave. I might call into York the week after next to have a look at the HAP there, and throw a few coins in the Project Commuter collection box. They have some very useful photos on their flickr site, https://www.flickr.com/groups/2hap/. I've replaced the windows in the 4-TC TFK, and painted the interior. However, I don't know what colour the carpet should be. Still, this is RMWeb, if I post a question in the appropriate sub-forum I am hopeful for an answer. With the window stickers in the place, I feel like it conveys a sense of 1980s BR... though it still needs window frames! After a few failed attempts, I've made masters for casting the inner MU boxes on REPs and TCs. Sizes are estimates, but it looks close enough to me. The ones on the TRB are a different shape, and as there are only two of them I didn't feel it worth going to the trouble of taking moulds from them. It's not worth the cost of rubber! There are a couple of details I'm not sure about on these, what looks to be a connection for a shore supply above the MU box for instance, and the right hand side in the image below. The other end (saloon end) I'm happy with. I managed to drop the TRB having just primed it. No damage to the coach, but I'll have to rub some down and re=prime. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Rich. Great modelling. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted December 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2015 You NEED the Extreme Etches frames unless you can shrink the NNK ones See they are much too deep EE are worth it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted December 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2015 Superb work so far Rich, look forward to seeing progress. Those MU boxes may well be useful to me too, Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) You NEED the Extreme Etches frames unless you can shrink the NNK ones No I don't, I can use Bachmann mk2 glazing- after all, the central section is from a Bachmann coach. There's no need to shout and repeat yourself. Edited December 19, 2015 by Taigatrommel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 Those MU boxes may well be useful to me too, What AC units are they used on then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted December 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2015 No I don't, I can use Bachmann mk2 glazing- after all, the central section is from a Bachmann coach. There's no need to shout and repeat yourself. But you said you had bought the NNK ones? I didn't want you to ruin the model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 I had bought the NNK ones before I knew they were too small, but it doesn't mean I'll mess about enlarging windows to this wrong size - it just means that I won't use them. Using Bachmann glazing (when I find some!) will provide a better match amongst the coaching stock for the layout, the NNK ones were simply a chance find on Phoenix's website while I was ordering paints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted December 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2015 I had bought the NNK ones before I knew they were too small, but it doesn't mean I'll mess about enlarging windows to this wrong size - it just means that I won't use them. Using Bachmann glazing (when I find some!) will provide a better match amongst the coaching stock for the layout, the NNK ones were simply a chance find on Phoenix's website while I was ordering paints. Phew! Sorry if it seemed I was obsessed but the ones I have seen using Bachmann donors also kept their glazing and look good. I suppose it is hunt the stepped on and the crashed. I will be Ebaying mine with a caveat. Hope to order those vents early next year. BTW I like the 4REP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Looking forward to your Mk2 progress as I intend on doing something similar when I get a chance. If you want GM roof vents Southern Pride do some. I'm not sure which Mk2Cs carried GM vents, and which carried Roe-Vac. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted December 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2015 Looking forward to your Mk2 progress as I intend on doing something similar when I get a chance. If you want GM roof vents Southern Pride do some. I'm not sure which Mk2Cs carried GM vents, and which carried Roe-Vac. G 5498-5537 GM 5538-5554 Roevac 5555-5615 Later toilets 5562-5615 Source is the Mark 2 book All later toilets have Roevac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 Looking forward to your Mk2 progress as I intend on doing something similar when I get a chance. If you want GM roof vents Southern Pride do some. I'm not sure which Mk2Cs carried GM vents, and which carried Roe-Vac. The REP is priority right now, I can't see myself getting more parts in before the new year. The 4-CAP is in primer, though I still need to work on the DMSL rooves. The Mk2C is waiting me getting Roe-Vac vents, and deciding what to do chassis-wise. I've lost my mk2 book and online pictures are thin on the group, so I don't quite know what to put underneath. Having done some body swaps with Dagworth I now have mk2As rather than Mk2s for further coach conversions, but I'm not settled on a route to other mk2s right now. I'd like a mid-1980s cross country InterCity rake, and have a selection of Mk2Es and mk2As, but there don't often seem to be more than one or two Mk2As in a rake with MkB/C being more common. A mk2C BFK would be a good choice, and that really isn't a huge conversion from the Bachmann mk2A BFK, as little as two doors and the roof to change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted December 21, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2015 If I get any of those printed vents I will let you know. Check P4newstreet for ideas, also http://scalerail.phpbbhosts.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=977pictures are now missing unfortunately Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 26, 2015 Author Share Posted December 26, 2015 (edited) I've done a bit of painting on the 4-CAP and two of the 4-REP vehicles. I haven't done any airbrushing for years, so I'm quite pleased that I haven't made a total mess of it. I'm toying with spraying the 4-TC NSE, if I can find a pic of one in the livery accompanied by a 4-REP. Edited December 26, 2015 by Taigatrommel 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted December 27, 2015 Share Posted December 27, 2015 How are you going to add the white lining please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 I'm going to have a go with a lining pen on some scrap stock, but if I don't manage a satisfactory result with that I'll use some Fox lining I have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted December 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi , I recall using a Bob Moore pen and now have a Peter Spoorer Easi-liner pen, used both for N gauge orange lines, but not for a while as it happens, I recall comments about using humbrol paints, well stirred but unthinned. I guess pigment size as the SP pen is 0.25 mm dia. A tip I was told was to clean and store with cleaning wire in delivery tube - it never blocks. Pen five years old and as good as day I bought it. - Whilst at a gauge one show in Bakewell. Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Hi Robert, Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I confused lining pen with bow pen. Any advice for the bow pen (which is what I actually have!) would be appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 Most of the 4-CAP is now lined and has lettering, though they need numbers yet. I've decided the easiest route to Mk2B/C coaches is to create some etched sides for converting the Hornby Mk2Es, as these are a low price and easily available. I picked some up from C&M models for £16.80 a piece the other day. The sides I've designed should fit between the doors of the donor coach, and are designed to match Bachmann Mk2/2As in their window appearance. In the interests of making my life as easy as possible, window frames and door handles are part of the main etching, with just the toilet window vents needing fitting. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kintbury jon Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 The 4CAP looks fantastic. Superb paint job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Good idea with the etches. Will you be making them available to buy/other modellers to use? I'd be very interested in some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted January 4, 2016 Author Share Posted January 4, 2016 Good idea with the etches. Will you be making them available to buy/other modellers to use? I'd be very interested in some. I'll see how they come out before making that decision; the compromises I make to suit my own requirements could well attract the ire of some of the vocal modellers from the D&E gang. I won't market them, but should the finished result look good to anyone else I'll certainly be willing to get a few other sheets produced for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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