GWR Joe Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I'm having issues, 2 of my 2-8-0 Locos can pull it but the thing is so damn heavy! I have halls, castles, panniers, 2-6-2s, nothing has any chance in moving it. Does anyone know if the 2-8-2t or the Bachmann 3000 rod can move the thing? Otherwise I'll have to get a diesel thing that will take the investment up over £150 to clean my track. Edited December 14, 2015 by GWR Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tender Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yep, that pad underneath does impart a lot of friction. I use my hand to push it around or a heavy diesel for the more inaccessible places. None of my steam loco's will shift it, but most of them are small tank engines or 4-4-0 tender loco's. The up side is it seems to do the job a lot better than the 'other' towed cleaner I tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR Joe Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah the Hornby ones a joke, the Dapol one cuts out on dcc every few seconds. The heavy diesels are why I'm thinking the 8 wheel freight Locos would do better then my current crop of Locos as they're mostly tender drive (although my newer halls can't budge it either lol) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2015 My Heljan Beyer Garrat will do it but normally I use 2 Rapido Canadian diesels. Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Gilbert Posted December 15, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2015 I needs something substantial - they suggest a 4 axle US diesel in the instructions but even they struggle...we used one at the weekend and an Atlas C425 just about coped but did stall occasionally Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm having issues, 2 of my 2-8-0 Locos can pull it but the thing is so damn heavy! I have halls, castles, panniers, 2-6-2s, nothing has any chance in moving it. Does anyone know if the 2-8-2t or the Bachmann 3000 rod can move the thing? Unfortunately most RTR steam models are too light for the job. In addition to the Garratt, the Bachmann 9F will just about do it. That's because it has about a pound weight / 450g on the driven wheels. A pound and a quarter / 600g centre motor drive BoBo or CoCo model is a better choice. (Determined by experiment on a friend's layout after he acquired one of these.) In respect of the two classes mentioned, the ROD won't do it, and it would be touch and go whether taking the ballast out of the boiler and stuffing it solid with lead would make it heavy enough - I doubt it as the larger WD 2-8-0 which starts out heavier can only just be got to 450g with fully concealed ballasting. The 2-8-2T won't do the job either as supplied, but it comes with the asset of a large body volume thanks to nicely cuboid side tanks, and the front and rear overhang gives options for placing the extra weight to keep the balance point in the middle of the coupled wheelbase. I don't know this model at all, but that would be the one to look at in my opinion if you want lots of weight for tractive purposes in a GWR steam model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Rails of Sheffield are selling BR Sector Class 47s for £65 at the moment via their advent calendar promotion. I reckon you'd be best off buying one of those. Edited December 15, 2015 by sub39h Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Or even the Heljan class 23 at £59, various retailers. Quite why Heljan decided to make their model of this notoriously unreliable class a 615g haulage titan I don't know. This has the most grunt as supplied of all the OO RTR I own, was good for 90g force practically straight from the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR Joe Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the replies guys, I may get a 2-8-2t fill it with lead (as I want one anyway) then if this fails I'll eBay a diesel. £65 sounds good but it's still £65 on a loco I don't actually want I'm also thinking I could fill an old Hornby diesel coco I have with lead but it's only driven by 4 wheels Edited December 15, 2015 by GWR Joe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Loading up a single power bogie model doesn't work well. To keep the thing reliably on the rails, a substantial proportion of the added weight has to bear on the unpowered bogie, which promptly 'steals' much of the traction the extra weight is adding on the powered end. It came as quite a surprise to me when in my teens, that putting a second power bogie into a diesel model near enough quadrupled the traction, over the (worst case) of single power bogie leading operation in its original condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmy Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I use a Bachmann 66 (Malcolm Rail 66412) to pull mine. I can apply rule 1 to justify it on my layout! Given that it's a lump of brass shaped like a US tank wagon, it's never going to look particularly realistic (on OO UK layouts) as a modeled train anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR Joe Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yeah maldon it's what I'm thinking, just wish I coukd pull it with a loco that I actually want I did just remember I have a castle I was going to make both tender and loco drive due to having some spare tenders and Locos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Just use the US approach, load too much? Use more loco's... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukebox Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 My experience is that Heljan diesels are definitely the way to go to shift a CMX. I've tried with Bachmann Deltics - Prototype and Production - but neither are as competent at hauling as my Kestrel or Falcon. YMMV, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 US outline diesels can often be picked up cheap on ebay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR Joe Posted December 15, 2015 Author Share Posted December 15, 2015 Glorious I use 2 2-8-0 28xx Locos at the moment, I've been meaning of making a video of them, I'll do it later. Make you all laugh with the King's and castles Jukebox I'll keep that in mind Jz I'll have a look Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach james Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I bought a GP9 for flinging infront of my track cleaning cars . I have a 50 and a 66 that also see use for similar, and I have been known to add the cleaner behind the pair of 28's. James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Airfix 31 seems to have a good rep for shifting heavy loads and can be found cheap on Ebay. Not tested mine out 'loaded' yet but it's certainly an interesting chassis! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR Joe Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 They're all rtr, I'm going to make a highlevel kit soon but not before the new year. I have two 2-8-0 28xx Locos that can move it but omg they make a meal of it, the video is coming I promise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham456 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I would go for a cheep American loco because no way is the track cleaner ever going to look like a English waggon or blend in a UK landscape / layout so as said in a earlier post a GP9 all week drive second hand loco can be picked up for £20 or less Go on have a bit of fun on your layout and build the Atlantic tunnel ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 As other have pointed some rtr locos will shift it without any problem, a Heljan 33 in my case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Hi GWR Joe Can I ask, are your locos rtr or kit built. The reason I ask is because if they are rtr locos they will need as much extra weight as possible added in order to move the cmx track cleaner. I saw a video once about track cleaners and the cmx cleaner was featured. If my memory serves me right it needed an absolute minimum of 2 or 3 Bachmann Class 20s to successfully move it at a decent speed but I would imagine that for steam locos a minimum of at least 2 well weighted kit built locos with powerful motors could potentially move it but its been my experience that heavy loads of any kind ( I don't own a cmx cleaner though ) need seriously powerful locos to shift them. I use a range of diesels to pull mine. No problem with single Bachmann 20 on layout with 1 in 50 grad and 3rd rad curves. M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColHut Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Sorry to resurrect this thread. Have a CMX but at the moment a double head steam can barely do the job. The layout has 1 in 30 below board long gradients with radius 2 & 3 curves; fitted with powerbase on the up gradients. I have one powerbase fitted 2-8-0 Bachmann ROD and a non-PB fitted Bachmann 4-4-0 4P compound - and it slips badly. I cannot tell a twin motored diesel from a single. I wondered if the Hornby RR P2 might suffice? Otherwise a preferably cheap diesel, even better if early BR. Perhaps the LMS 10000? Does the Hornby RR class 50 have two powered bogie sets? Any suggestions appreciated. regards Edited December 13, 2017 by ColHut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 When the pad on the CMX is new and the track is dirty, you need more power to shift it, I topped and tailed with a couple of Bcahmann class 25s. Once the track is cleaner and the pad worn in, I find a single diesel, or a 9F will shove it around easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetheroad Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Try a second hand Hornby Railroad Class 40 and fit an additional motor bogie in it. The bogie will just clip into the chassis. Or buy two cheap second hand Lima diesels and double head them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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