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In 1990s how many British steel work in uk ?

I know loads of British steel work but I need know how many and whereabouts

 

Which high number of running from British steel work via route British Rail mainline to British steel work?

 

I may feel north east British steel work has high number of running steel train by twin or single of class 37/5 and class 56 and 60

 

I need more information about how many British steel work and route steel train

 

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I'm sorry, but am not able to fully understand your question.

 

Are you asking how many trains ran on British Steel workings, or how many people worked for BSC, or something else?

 

I'm not sure what you are using to translate, but it's getting more and more difficult to understand as we get more technical.

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I think Andrew is asking how many locations British Steel operated from in the 1990s, what were the major flows between these sites and what routes did these trains take?  However, that seems a very general question that could produce a very long answer.

 

I can't answer, because beyond knowing that Ravenscraig closed around 1992 (leaving little steel traffic in Scotland) and there were steelworks in both the northeast of England and South Wales, that is about the limit of my knowledge on the subject of steel flows. 

 

Steel flows in 1990 were also probably quite different from the flows in 1999 as a result of rationalisation and specialisation in the steel industry.  I seem to recall that BR Railfreight was a beneficiary of some of that reorganisation in the early 1990s as there was more inter-site working.

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Integrated plants at Ravenscraig, Lackenby-Redcar, Frodingham / Scunthorpe, Llanwern and Port Talbot.

 

Many finishing plants including plants in around Motherwell (Clydesdale, Clydebridge, Dalzell), Workington, Deeside, Ebbw Vale, Trostre, Corby, Shelton / Etruria (Stoke), Skinninggrove, Tinsley, Rotherham

 

Other private plants such as Sheerness, ASW Cardiff, Alcan Fort William and Lynemouth.

 

You also had steel distributers such as Blackburn, Wolverhampton, Round Oak, Hamworthy(?)

 

There will undoubtedly be a lot more to add to the list.

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Hello everyone

 

In 1990s how many British steel work in uk ?

I know loads of British steel work but I need know how many and whereabouts

 

Which high number of running from British steel work via route British Rail mainline to British steel work?

 

I may feel north east British steel work has high number of running steel train by twin or single of class 37/5 and class 56 and 60

 

I need more information about how many British steel work and route steel train

 

Thank you

 

 

It is a simple question, but has a complex answer.

 

A lot of former steel making plants were closed, although some of the associated finishing lines remained open for specialist production.

 

Port Talbot and Llanwern in South Wales remained fully open in the 1990s, with parts of Ebbw Vale. 

 

Plus Scunthorpe, Redcar in the east of England with Stocksbridge near Sheffield, and various plating works to the east of the city.

 

I bet I have forgotten some.

 

Edited to add that black and decker's answer coincided with mine and is far more detailed.

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Hello everyone

 

In 1990s how many British steel work in uk ?

I know loads of British steel work but I need know how many and whereabouts

 

Which high number of running from British steel work via route British Rail mainline to British steel work?

 

I may feel north east British steel work has high number of running steel train by twin or single of class 37/5 and class 56 and 60

 

I need more information about how many British steel work and route steel train

 

Thank you

 

There were regular steel flows between NE England and South Wales.

 

However, for the best guide to freight movements in the UK during the late 1980s/early 1990s I can recommend this dvd box set -

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pack-Rail-Freight-Today-Train-5-DVDs-NEW-UK-/190572354734?hash=item2c5eff5cae:m:mgp7KmDpCgPyef5a5xvElNg

 

 

It will answer all your questions regarding the routes, train make-ups and range of locos used.

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Integrated plants at Ravenscraig, Lackenby-Redcar, Frodingham / Scunthorpe, Llanwern and Port Talbot.

Many finishing plants including plants in around Motherwell (Clydesdale, Clydebridge, Dalzell), Workington, Deeside, Ebbw Vale, Trostre, Corby, Shelton / Etruria (Stoke), Skinninggrove, Tinsley, Rotherham

Other private plants such as Sheerness, ASW Cardiff, Alcan Fort William and Lynemouth.

You also had steel distributers such as Blackburn, Wolverhampton, Round Oak, Hamworthy(?)

There will undoubtedly be a lot more to add to the list.

Thank you black and decker boy by what I am look answer and now I am look for steel train from north east (Tyne tees close two or three British steel work)

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That looks as though it could be the empties from the Lackenby- Corby 'Coil-Liner' which sometimes ran twice daily. It would run at about 2000t loaded. These days, Corby is supplied from Port Talbot.

When it first ran with pairs of 31s it was named the tubeliner and the first train carried a headboard.

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Ah, right, in that case, include ones from both Sheffield and Scunthorpe that went to Immingham, were exported to Germany for finishing, then came back to Sheffield I believe and Wolverhampton, for use.

 

There were also the 10,000hp electric hauled steel strip trains that ran from Scotland, south via Carlisle, but to where, I cannot say.

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Ah, right, in that case, include ones from both Sheffield and Scunthorpe that went to Immingham, were exported to Germany for finishing, then came back to Sheffield I believe and Wolverhampton, for use.

 

There were also the 10,000hp electric hauled steel strip trains that ran from Scotland, south via Carlisle, but to where, I cannot say.

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Ah, right, in that case, include ones from both Sheffield and Scunthorpe that went to Immingham, were exported to Germany for finishing, then came back to Sheffield I believe and Wolverhampton, for use.

 

There were also the 10,000hp electric hauled steel strip trains that ran from Scotland, south via Carlisle, but to where, I cannot say.

Bound for Dee Marsh/ Shotton Steelworks; they used to change locos at Warrington.

There was a flow of stainless slab from Sheffield to Immingham; then ship to Sweden for rolling, the finished coil being returned to Sheffield. These flows often don't seem to make sense, until you see the scale of the rolling mills; they are enormous, and not the sort of thing you can easily move to bring them closer to the source of the slab being rolled.

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I'd forgotten that one. The one I'm thinking of was strip, in coils. We were told it went to Germany for some sort of treatment we don't have.

 

My lad works for a stainless works in Sheffield, I'll get him to find out where the product goes now.

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There was a flow of stainless slab from Sheffield to Immingham; then ship to Sweden for rolling, the finished coil being returned to Sheffield. These flows often don't seem to make sense, until you see the scale of the rolling mills; they are enormous, and not the sort of thing you can easily move to bring them closer to the source of the slab being rolled.

This still runs, using the unique BVA wagons. Slabs from Tinsley to Immingham and coils returning.

 

For a time in the mid-1990s, there was a similar flow from Tinsley to Seaforth with the coils returning from Seaforth to Panteg, but this has since reduced to a sporadic one-way flow of slabs only.

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This still runs, using the unique BVA wagons. Slabs from Tinsley to Immingham and coils returning.

 

For a time in the mid-1990s, there was a similar flow from Tinsley to Seaforth with the coils returning from Seaforth to Panteg, but this has since reduced to a sporadic one-way flow of slabs only.

Panteg Works is now a housing estate, I believe, which would explain that flow having become one way.
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This still runs, using the unique BVA wagons. Slabs from Tinsley to Immingham and coils returning.

 

For a time in the mid-1990s, there was a similar flow from Tinsley to Seaforth with the coils returning from Seaforth to Panteg, but this has since reduced to a sporadic one-way flow of slabs only.

 

My recollection is the Seaforth Traffic  was Export Slab for the USA!

 

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It started off as export-only and it has been again for the last 15 years or more. But it wasn't always the case.

 

Pic (not mine) of 1 such train leaving Seaforth:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/8a-collection/8151850536/in/photolist-dqmnab

I recollect accounts of these workings at about the time in question; the train ran via ADJ as accessing the sidings at Panteg from the Hereford direction would have involved two reversals. The wagons appear to be either SDAs (bolsters converted from SPA Plates) or SKA (wire-coil wagons similarily converted).
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I recollect accounts of these workings at about the time in question; the train ran via ADJ as accessing the sidings at Panteg from the Hereford direction would have involved two reversals. The wagons appear to be either SDAs (bolsters converted from SPA Plates) or SKA (wire-coil wagons similarily converted).

The 4-wheelers would have been SKAs. Besides block trains, smaller volumes used to run via 6F48 wagonload trip from Seaforth to Warrington, then 6V71 or 6V60 to Newport for a trip Panteg.

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This brief history of Panteg post nationalisation might help sort out what might have been going where and when.

 

 

1967. Part of RTB, nationalised under the BSC.

 

1990 owned by BSC, making stainless steel in Electric Arc Furnace and rolling stainless steel strip.

 

1992. Taken over by Avesta Sheffield Ltd., (who already had a stainless steel plant in Sheffield.)

 

1996. Arc furnace ceased production, rolling mill still in operation processing stainless coil.

 

2004. Works closes completely.

 

2006 (ish) . Derelict works used as outdoor location for Dr Who/Torchwood.

 

Current. Parc Panteg housing estate.

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