stock_2007 Posted September 6, 2017 Share Posted September 6, 2017 I've seen one or two reviews of the wagon on YouTube and they look good but not £83 good, and if the reviewer was right there are only two numbers! I wonder what Hornby will do with the moulds? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I've seen one or two reviews of the wagon on YouTube and they look good but not £83 good, and if the reviewer was right there are only two numbers! I wonder what Hornby will do with the moulds? not use them again if they're effectively 'owned' by Drax even if they live in the Hornby factory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2017 not use them again if they're effectively 'owned' by Drax even if they live in the Hornby factory There could be some sort of grace period that allows them to use the tooling after a certain length of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) There could be some sort of grace period that allows them to use the tooling after a certain length of time.See this post...http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/107050-draxhornby-biomass-wagons/?p=2165199 Hornby don't own the tooling. My guess if they don't sell, Drax will have a second round of giving them to customers. I'd imagine if the paint scheme changes, another run may be forthcoming, probably in similar conditions. You could of course wait until inflation catches up, Brexit day is in 2019 so not too long to wait :-) Hattons are no stranger for waiting long term to sell an item out, these curved track were in the range for over 38 years after Binns Rd closed, and were still available in 2016 !.. £2 is a lot for an old piece of 70's steel rail.. even today, but they eventually cleared out :-) http://www.hattons.co.uk/26992/Hornby_Dublo_2721HD_Curved_terminal_track_2nd_radius/StockDetail.aspx Edited September 7, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 (edited) I dont like spending £83 on a loco, there is no way I am spending that amount on a bloomin wagon no matter how good the detail and decoration. They do look bloomin good though. Edit- Drax could price them at a more realistic level and put the 'loss' on the tax return as advertising or some such, there are many ways of losing things in the accounts. Edited September 7, 2017 by royaloak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted September 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) They could have done, but now that you have told any tax workers that might frequent RMWeb, they will be looking out for it in Drax's returns now! Edited September 8, 2017 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 They could have done, but now that you have told any tax workers that might frequent RMWeb, they will be looking out for it in Drax's returns now! You mean somebody is going to take notice of what I say, thats a first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 8, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 8, 2017 Did I just read a suggestion Drax does a tax write off solely to give a discount to railway modellers ? Rails of Sheffield has a coach for £125 Kernow has 4 coaches for £290 (£72.50 Ea) £83 for a wagon is starting to look reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Did I just read a suggestion Drax does a tax write off solely to give a discount to railway modellers ? Rails of Sheffield has a coach for £125 Kernow has 4 coaches for £290 (£72.50 Ea) £83 for a wagon is starting to look reasonable. Reasonable ? - Not in my book. I've just purchased TWO Weaver O gauge covered hopper freight cars. These are big even by O scale standards - 15" long, 4" high, like new and just kadee couplers to add and off they roll. Cost for the pair - £45 incl free postage (ebay). OK they're not new - but they are average price for these on ebay. And folk think O gauge is expensive !! Brit15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 (edited) Did I just read a suggestion Drax does a tax write off solely to give a discount to railway modellers ? Rails of Sheffield has a coach for £125 Kernow has 4 coaches for £290 (£72.50 Ea) £83 for a wagon is starting to look reasonable. Along with all the people who received a free one as a marketing/advertising endeavour. £83 is not reasonable for a 'simple' wagon, okay its a really nice wagon but its still a wagon. Edited September 8, 2017 by royaloak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Along with all the people who received a free one as a marketing/advertising endeavour. £83 is not reasonable for a 'simple' wagon, okay its a really nice wagon but its still a wagon. Make it self propelled and you can get upwards of £100 and no one comments! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_2007 Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Maybe if it had opening top doors £83 would not seem to high! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Here we go again, if you really want one , and have £83 go buy one......if it's too much for you or don't want one, please spend your money in something else. I'd send em back to drax, they can fill em with wood chips and lob them in the furnaces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2017 Here we go again, if you really want one , and have £83 go buy one......if it's too much for you or don't want one, please spend your money in something else. I'd send em back to drax, they can fill em with wood chips and lob them in the furnaces Burning plastic isn't very eco-friendly................... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 (edited) Burning plastic isn't very eco-friendly................... Nor are biomass pellets... Worth a read: http://e360.yale.edu/features/wood_pellets_green_energy_or_new_source_of_co2_emissions Edited September 11, 2017 by lyneux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 11, 2017 Biomass pellets sounds awfully high tech, so much more impressive than wood chip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
classy52 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Just saw this on Kernow's website in their Limited Edition section in case anyone's interested, funny how they have lumped Hornby's Class 60 Drax with Bachmann's MSC shed. Technically the Drax comes out as £90 if you account the full price for the Class 66, pretty good deal. Edited September 14, 2017 by classy52 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Scottish-Exile Posted October 26, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2017 Press release today from GBRf. New wagons on the way that will hold 1/3 more. 26th October 2017 New hoppers will allow GB Railfreight to carry one-third more biomass. Following the signing of the rail haulage contract Lynemouth Power Limited, GB Railfreight (GBRf) has announced that it will be leasing 50 newly built, lidded biomass wagons from Nacco. These wagons will provide a more efficient service, with a payload of 70 tonnes instead of the current lidded hopper wagon’s capacity of 53 tonnes. The new wagons will run in two sets of 24 wagons, delivering 1,680 tonnes of biomass per train, are auto-loading and discharging, and will be delivered at the end of November 2017 and in January 2018. GBRf previously demonstrated its reliability along this route whilst running coal services to Lynemouth when it was owned by RWEST. The last coal train into the station was April 2015. John Smith, Managing Director of GBRf, said: "We are delighted to be able to make this investment following the start of our partnership with Lynemouth earlier this year. It demonstrates GBRf’s commitment to providing the best levels of customer service and the company’s desire to ensure the most efficient fleet of rolling stock is available. This investment will also enable GBRf to carry more biomass to Lynemouth, reducing its carbon footprint and the emissions of the whole of the UK as well. This partnership is just one way in which GBRf, and the whole rail freight sector, is contributing to the UK hitting its climate change commitments.” ENDS 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2017 Wow great news. Are the Drax biomass wagons only able to carry 53 tonnes? Or is that referring to Naccos previous Hopper Designs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Wow great news. Are the Drax biomass wagons only able to carry 53 tonnes? Or is that referring to Naccos previous Hopper Designs?They are comparing to the converted coal hoppers not the Drax biomass wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2017 They are comparing to the converted coal hoppers not the Drax biomass wagons. I did have a feeling that the Drax ones were 70 Tonnes as well. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) Looking forward to seeing and photographing these superb new GBRF biomass wagons on the Blyth & Tyne. I believe they may be running up to 27 trains per week. Edited October 27, 2017 by Alcanman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 27, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2017 (edited) got to say its not often i look at a pic and go 'wow' (unless its in the sunday sport) but, 'wow' that new one is one impressive looking wagon Edited October 27, 2017 by big jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Western Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 That is some serious hardware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) Just seen on the Model Rail Facebook page that a limited number are again available from Hattons. Edited February 20, 2019 by Hilux5972 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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