RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted March 7, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7, 2019 So after 3 years I have finally got round to finishing the drawing, although having said that the handrail on the smokebox door is missing which I've only just noticed. The drawing does not include the strengthening strip which some got on the rear of the bunker in BR days. Duncan 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) So... more thread resurrection. I am hoping to model Bourneville and its shed in the late pre-nationalisation period. Between Saltley and Bourneville, they had 8 of the 3Ps on shed - I guess they could handle the light suburban duties from North of the Lickey up to Birmingham. I have 3D CAD software, and access to rapid prototyping machines. I could try to model this up and do a 3D print for everything above the footplate? Resolution is getting better and better all the time... I'd be willing to give it a go and see what detail comes out looking right. I'm sure there are detailed castings that could be begged, borrowed and stolen to better finish it if required. Mark. ** Additional: We have at least one resident 3D printing expert - @Knuckles is Sparkshot creations... maybe he can help? Edited October 22, 2019 by FoxUnpopuli Grammar/comprehension. // Added Knuckles/Sparkshot reference. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knuckles Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 Our etched one was due out next month but building the 7mm version has thrown up so many modifications (and the odd significant mistake) that a lot more re-design is needed. Details of the 7mm version on my workshop thread, the 4mm one is in the Judith Edge kits thread. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 14 hours ago, FoxUnpopuli said: So... more thread resurrection. I am hoping to model Bourneville and its shed in the late pre-nationalisation period. Between Saltley and Bourneville, they had 8 of the 3Ps on shed - I guess they could handle the light suburban duties from North of the Lickey up to Birmingham. I have 3D CAD software, and access to rapid prototyping machines. I could try to model this up and do a 3D print for everything above the footplate? Resolution is getting better and better all the time... I'd be willing to give it a go and see what detail comes out looking right. I'm sure there are detailed castings that could be begged, borrowed and stolen to better finish it if required. Mark. ** Additional: We have at least one resident 3D printing expert - @Knuckles is Sparkshot creations... maybe he can help? At risk of being howled down for 'genericism', I had looked at the Bachmann standard 3 82xxx chassis as a possible rtr powerplant under a whitemetal body. I think Ben Alder of this parish used this chassis under a Nu-Cast body, I have a spare 82xxx waiting to be a donor but the Nu-Cast kits go for silly money on EBay, so I will watch progress with interest. ` I believe Alan Gibson has some castings for boiler fittings, chimney etc? Cheers from Oz, Peter C. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, 45568 said: At risk of being howled down for 'genericism', I had looked at the Bachmann standard 3 82xxx chassis as a possible rtr powerplant Sounds alright to me. I'm a rather more pragmatic modeller. I believe anyone who models in OO has a get out of jail free card anyhow. I'd dearly love to go full bore P4 on a garden railway, but would you like to solder up that much track? I'd have an embolism, I'm not that patient. 12 hours ago, Michael Edge said: Our etched one was due out next month but building the 7mm version has thrown up so many modifications (and the odd significant mistake) that a lot more re-design is needed. Details of the 7mm version on my workshop thread, the 4mm one is in the Judith Edge kits thread. Excellent, thank you. I think a Judith Edge kit would be a way to go. If someone ( @Blandford1969? ) would send me a hi-res photo of the drawings, I'll have a go in CAD for a DLP printer, but I suspect it would not be a patch on Michael's work. Edited October 23, 2019 by FoxUnpopuli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted October 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, FoxUnpopuli said: Sounds alright to me. I'm a rather more pragmatic modeller. I believe anyone who models in OO has a get out of jail free card anyhow. I'd dearly love to go full bore P4 on a garden railway, but would you like to solder up that much track? I'd have an embolism, I'm not that patient. Excellent, thank you. I think a Judith Edge kit would be a way to go. If someone ( @Blandford1969? ) would send me a hi-res photo of the drawings, I'll have a go in CAD for a DLP printer, but I suspect it would not be a patch on Michael's work. I'll do a scan, what file size do you need? - It wont be till Sunday though due to pressure of work and driving on the SVR on Saturday Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 20:55, Blandford1969 said: I'll do a scan, what file size do you need? - It wont be till Sunday though due to pressure of work and driving on the SVR on Saturday Just enough so it's clear - probably 200dpi would do. 300dpi better. Ahhh, I remember the days when I volunteered on the SVR... that would be, er... nearly thirty years ago now. Scary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Not exactly perfectly accurate, but a fun exercise. The frame outline is simply blocked in at the moment, and lots to do as you can see. I have purchased some books over the Christmas period with a few 3P images in, so I shall try to figure out some of the 'character' of the loco that I may have missed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted January 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2020 Well I'm glad the drawing was useful Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Impossible without it, Duncan - the scan was cut into parts, squared up in Inkscape, and imported into sketch planes in the CAD programme, allowing me to sketch the construction lines over it. It's worked pretty well! CAD modelling (like real modelling) is one of those tasks which you start and then sucks hours away enjoyably. As I've just bought a house which is roughly equivalent to that from 'The Money Pit', modelling time of any sort is in short supply! Christmas was good and honourable Father and I discussed many things for getting some kitbuilding started - but I sneaked in a bit of this too. Couple of questions for those that "know"... 1. What's the profile of the steam chest pipework? My guess is it's not circular...? 2. The dome appears to be flat topped, but on an angle parallel with the boiler taper - is this so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Slowly slowly, as time allows. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Hello Mark Really like the way the scan is developing....sorry if I've missed is it for eventual realisation into an available model via 3D scanning or is the cad an end in itself .... I would really like a small boilered version of this loco. I had hoped the branchlines / SE one based on nu cast would have been produced... best wishes Brian Edited January 24, 2020 by 46256 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted January 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, 46256 said: Hello Mark Really like the way the scan is developing....sorry if I've missed is it for eventual realisation into an available model via 3D scanning or is the cad an end in itself .... I would really like a small boilered version of this loco. I had hoped the branchlines / SE one based on nu cast would have been produced... best wishes Brian Michael Edge is developing an etched one in 4mm. One is being built over the road by PAD 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
46256 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Thanks blandford follow mikes work on his thread. His fowler version is inspiring.. I 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 The 4mm one is finished now, there will be more on the Judith Edge thread later. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 16 hours ago, 46256 said: Hello Mark Really like the way the scan is developing....sorry if I've missed is it for eventual realisation into an available model via 3D scanning or is the cad an end in itself .... I would really like a small boilered version of this loco. I had hoped the branchlines / SE one based on nu cast would have been produced... best wishes Brian It is built such that it can be exported to a resin printer which I am considering purchasing. The learning curve on actually producing viable models from that is almost vertical, so I wouldn't wait around for me! Also, it is built with only a vague passing resemblance to a drawing - it has nowhere near the in-depth research applied that Michael's kit has. I will be ordering one for sure. Another vertical learning curve to climb - but my father is on these journeys with me also, and we've been busy making axle alignment jigs and rolling roads - the design for which is half-way to first assembly and test. My advice is to put an order in with Michael for a Judith Edge version. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Barry O Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 Mark If you live in Leeds come down to the club on a wednesday and talk with Innocentman..he has a few 3d printers including a resin one.. Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jub45565 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Michael Edge said: The 4mm one is finished now, there will be more on the Judith Edge thread later. Sounds promising! I had readjusted my procurement activities for this to be likely at Scaleforum rather than Scalefour North or Railex... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted January 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2020 No reason why we can't have it for Railex, possibly for Scalefour North but that depends on PhotoEtch. We may also supply this as more of a kit than before with at least some of the mouldings provided. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted April 2, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2020 So time has moved on. The workbook on the tanks has been updated now to include details on the strengthening strips added to the bunker rear. There are now over 170 lines of data in this. Also I have put together a gallery on Flickr of Stanier 2-6-2 images (though oddly could not add my own) Stanier 2-6-2 gallery (96 images at present) hope it helps Duncan 3 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Thanks Duncan for putting these pictures up on Flicker, it also makes clearer the differences not yet mentioned, the first picture 40165 and others show the fact that more than couple had Fowler pony wheels as opposed to Stanier and mostly on the front truck though a couple had them on the rear too or only.... A few locos pictured still had the larger buffer heads fitted, check 40202 18'' against the standard 16'' on 40085. I thought later builds had16'' heads though. A number of other locos had 18'' buffer heads when built, Ivatt class 2 tanks though Ivatt 2-6-0 and Royal Scots on the front only, Fowler 3Ps and a few odd other locos. Like the 3P with the BR oval buffers further down the page as well.... Dave Franks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted April 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 3, 2020 10 hours ago, davefrk said: Thanks Duncan for putting these pictures up on Flicker, it also makes clearer the differences not yet mentioned, the first picture 40165 and others show the fact that more than couple had Fowler pony wheels as opposed to Stanier and mostly on the front truck though a couple had them on the rear too or only.... A few locos pictured still had the larger buffer heads fitted, check 40202 18'' against the standard 16'' on 40085. I thought later builds had16'' heads though. A number of other locos had 18'' buffer heads when built, Ivatt class 2 tanks though Ivatt 2-6-0 and Royal Scots on the front only, Fowler 3Ps and a few odd other locos. Like the 3P with the BR oval buffers further down the page as well.... Dave Franks. Your welcome Dave, I had totally missed the buffers, but now you say there it is. It just goes to show how important photos are to any project and hopefully this the gallery and workbook will help. At the moment I don't plan on adding buffer size to the sheet, but if that changes will re-post it. As you can imagine there has probably over the time been weeks of work gone into this. Duncan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagrizz Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 I think the colour picture of 40207 and img057 were both taken at Nuneaton. Graham 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxUnpopuli Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 40142 with oval buffers made me blink! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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