RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2017 And let's not get into discussing CR blue!! (I've a good idea who that gentleman might have been) Jim Well out of the 4 CR locos in the house, there are 4 shades of CR blue!! Gary 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2017 Leave a blue loco out in the sea air for a year or so and you can probably have any colour you like. Jonathan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted July 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 9, 2017 And let's not get into discussing CR blue!! (I've a good idea who that gentleman might have been) Jim He was wearing a top hat at the time. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Leave a blue loco out in the sea air for a year or so and you can probably have any colour you like. You don't need the sea air, just different lighting conditions. Look at the two photographs part way down the page here http://2mmfcag.blogspot.co.uk/ which were taken less than a minute apart. Jim 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 You don't need the sea air, just different lighting conditions. Look at the two photographs part way down the page here http://2mmfcag.blogspot.co.uk/ which were taken less than a minute apart. Jim Precisely why I tend to have a relaxed attitude to prototype colours at scale! If it looks right to you ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 10, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 10, 2017 Precisely why I tend to have a relaxed attitude to prototype colours at scale! If it looks right to you ... I couldn't agree more, if someone from 1905 turns up to tell me I got the shade wrong, then I might care, until then I will continue with my multiple shades of IEG. Gary 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I couldn't agree more, if someone from 1905 turns up to tell me I got the shade wrong, then I might care, until then I will continue with my multiple shades of IEG. Gary Or just continue to adjust the lighting conditions until he agrees you've got it right! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Reminds me of a screwdriver I have (misplaced at the moment!) which appears mid green on a sunny day, and almost black in the evening 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) So, back on topic then!! That sounds like a good idea!! That Hornby-Dublo R1 that I got cheap on eBay, that seems like a nice quick, and easy detail job and a re-paint. That was the reason for buying it! Lets have a quick reminder of how the loco looked when it arrived with me: So just what is a "quick, and easy detail job"?? Let me try to show you, this is going to be the most in depth look at my workbench so far (other than possibly the X.04 motor rebuild). Hopefully by the end anyone reading should be able to detail one of these locos just like I have, I shall let the pictures do the talking as much as possible. Let us begin! Firstly, much to the disdain of my other half I set the workbench up in the living room, and began by cutting the chassis: This would of course be useless without removing the skirt under the boiler: Success!! We can see daylight!! and while we have the knife in our hand we should remove some of those moulded on details that we will be replacing. The handrails and smoke box dart at the front: The handrails at the rear: The clack valve pipework and Westinghouse pump from the side: Then I decided to go back and remove the lamp irons from the rear, after all if I'm doing this I may as well do it properly: Now that we have done that the boiler needs a new bottom! After taking a look around the house I realised that the syringe I use for applying glue when ballasting is the right size: So it must face the chop: And after a bit of shaping it fits underneath with clearance for the motor: So I guess it must be time to start adding details. Some handrails made from .4mm brass wire and cheap handrail knobs from eBay, along with some lamp irons made from staples. On the front: The rear: And the side: The prototype also has an overhang in the front and rear of the cab which is not included on the original model, nothing a bit of 20thou won't fix! The front: The rear: We also need to deal with the buffer beams, they need some couplings added. Front buffers and couplings: and the rear: We also need to do something about that Westinghouse pump I removed, sorry to the people that make these, but I am not paying £4.00 for a casting when a cotton bud some wire and a couple of squares of cardboard can do this: I then decided that I should add some representation of the grills over the rear cab windows so the .4mm wire came back out: and although the bars are much to thick and there is no where near enough of them they do look the part once fitted: With the rear windows looking good I needed do to something with the front ones, as they come the extend all the way down to the firebox. A fillet was cut to fill the space, and the widows cut into this: and a view from the outside: I then added some brake and steam heat pipes to the buffer beams: And that is where I left it, The airbrush will get a full strip down and clean this week ready to put some primer on. In the mean time here is a few shots showing the finished loco on Oak Hill, under close inspection from the station dog: And that is what I called a quick detail job, and yes I did a bit more than I originally planned!! Thanks for looking, hope you enjoyed, Gary Edited July 11, 2017 by BlueLightning 19 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Hi Gary... Nice job.....I will be using it for reference later! One question.... The lamp irons are the Southern arrangement, with the 2 extra (from RCH pattern).... Now was this in use on SECR locos prior to grouping? I was under the impression that this arrangement came from the LBSCR at grouping, and was adopted by the SR.....LSWR and SECR locos being modified accordingly. Now I may well be wrong..... So....I had a bit of a search... LSWR locos (from 1905) did actually have the "extra" lamp irons, as did LBSCR locos, LATER....1881 headcodes seem to not use the extras! 1910-1917 do have the extras though... SECR Headcodes (These seem to not use the "extra" lamp iron positions...) http://www.semgonline.com/headcodes/sheadcodes/07.html SR Steam Headcodes index.... http://www.semgonline.com/headcodes/sheadcodes.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Some inspiring detailing there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesg Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 You have been busy! Has the livery for the R1 been decided? If so, is it being kept as a surprise to the forum thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Hi Gary... Nice job.....I will be using it for reference later! One question.... The lamp irons are the Southern arrangement, with the 2 extra (from RCH pattern).... Now was this in use on SECR locos prior to grouping? I was under the impression that this arrangement came from the LBSCR at grouping, and was adopted by the SR.....LSWR and SECR locos being modified accordingly. Now I may well be wrong..... So....I had a bit of a search... LSWR locos (from 1905) did actually have the "extra" lamp irons, as did LBSCR locos, LATER....1881 headcodes seem to not use the extras! 1910-1917 do have the extras though... SECR Headcodes (These seem to not use the "extra" lamp iron positions...) http://www.semgonline.com/headcodes/sheadcodes/07.html SR Steam Headcodes index.... http://www.semgonline.com/headcodes/sheadcodes.html Thanks Sarah, that is rather helpful!! The honest answer is I couldn't find any pictures in SECR days that showed the lamp irons clearly enough to tell. I was hoping someone would notice and either correct me or confirm it happened!! My usual SECR contact is on holiday at the moment!! You have been busy! Has the livery for the R1 been decided? If so, is it being kept as a surprise to the forum thread? The R1 is going to be in fully lined SECR livery! I have not yet decided on an identity for it though. Gary 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 High Gary nice work as always love the way you've gone to the effort to cut the chassis back to give a bit of "Light" under the boiler. Like you I begrudge paying for small fittings like the air pump and getting a range of detail parts for a loco can soon add up also after paying good money for what was a lump of white metal masquerading as an air pump which was so poor it went straight in the bin I decided to make as much as I could and now make all my air pumps out of brass and have even made a small jig to cut and solder them on. You might recall seeing them on my Caley loco thread but here's an example. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) High Gary nice work as always love the way you've gone to the effort to cut the chassis back to give a bit of "Light" under the boiler. Like you I begrudge paying for small fittings like the air pump and getting a range of detail parts for a loco can soon add up also after paying good money for what was a lump of white metal masquerading as an air pump which was so poor it went straight in the bin I decided to make as much as I could and now make all my air pumps out of brass and have even made a small jig to cut and solder them on. You might recall seeing them on my Caley loco thread but here's an example. Dunalastair I air pump from brass.jpg Steve Of course I remember seeing them on your thread!! Where do you think I got the inspiration to try and make them myself?! Gary Edited July 11, 2017 by BlueLightning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 So, back on topic then!! That sounds like a good idea!! That Hornby-Dublo R1 that I got cheap on eBay, that seems like a nice quick, and easy detail job and a re-paint. That was the reason for buying it! Lets have a quick reminder of how the loco looked when it arrived with me: 01 R1 original.jpg So just what is a "quick, and easy detail job"?? Let me try to show you, this is going to be the most in depth look at my workbench so far (other than possibly the X.04 motor rebuild). Hopefully by the end anyone reading should be able to detail one of these locos just like I have, I shall let the pictures do the talking as much as possible. Let us begin! Firstly, much to the disdain of my other half I set the workbench up in the living room, and began by cutting the chassis: 02 chassis mod.jpg This would of course be useless without removing the skirt under the boiler: 03 skit removed.jpg Success!! We can see daylight!! 04 air under boiler.jpg and while we have the knife in our hand we should remove some of those moulded on details that we will be replacing. The handrails and smoke box dart at the front: 05 handrails removed front.jpg The handrails at the rear: 06 handrails removed rear.jpg The clack valve pipework and Westinghouse pump from the side: 07 details removed side.jpg Then I decided to go back and remove the lamp irons from the rear, after all if I'm doing this I may as well do it properly: 08 lamp irons removed.jpg Now that we have done that the boiler needs a new bottom! After taking a look around the house I realised that the syringe I use for applying glue when ballasting is the right size: 09 syringe.jpg So it must face the chop: 10 syringe cut.jpg And after a bit of shaping it fits underneath with clearance for the motor: 11 boiler bottom.jpg So I guess it must be time to start adding details. Some handrails made from .4mm brass wire and cheap handrail knobs from eBay, along with some lamp irons made from staples. On the front: 12 handrails and lamp irons front.jpg The rear: 13 handrails and lamp irons rear.jpg And the side: 14 handrails and lamp irons side.jpg The prototype also has an overhang in the front and rear of the cab which is not included on the original model, nothing a bit of 20thou won't fix! The front: 15 cab overhang front.jpg The rear: 16 cab overhang rear.jpg We also need to deal with the buffer beams, they need some couplings added. Front buffers and couplings: 17 couplings and buffers.jpg and the rear: 18 couplings and buffers.jpg We also need to do something about that Westinghouse pump I removed, sorry to the people that make these, but I am not paying £4.00 for a casting when a cotton bud some wire and a couple of squares of cardboard can do this: 19 westinghouse pump.jpg I then decided that I should add some representation of the grills over the rear cab windows so the .4mm wire came back out: 20 cab grills.jpg and although the bars are much to thick and there is no where near enough of them they do look the part once fitted: 21 cab grills fitted.jpg With the rear windows looking good I needed do to something with the front ones, as they come the extend all the way down to the firebox. A fillet was cut to fill the space, and the widows cut into this: 22 fillets for cab front windows.jpg and a view from the outside: 23 cab front windows.jpg I then added some brake and steam heat pipes to the buffer beams: 24 buffer beam pipework.jpg And that is where I left it, The airbrush will get a full strip down and clean this week ready to put some primer on. In the mean time here is a few shots showing the finished loco on Oak Hill, under close inspection from the station dog: 25 finished 1.jpg 26 finished 2.jpg 27 finished 3.jpg And that is what I called a quick detail job, and yes I did a bit more than I originally planned!! Thanks for looking, hope you enjoyed, Gary Another great project, Gary. Looking forward to seeing it develop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 He was wearing a top hat at the time. The 'controller' on Burntisland always does. If it was who I'm thinking of he would be the Thin Controller. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Gary, Excellent work. Now this R1 is SECR/SER vintage, the LCDR/SECR was 4-4-0/0-4-4 or something, is that correct? I remember earlier someone saying they had the same classification but a different design. (and why not?) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian keane Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Gary, Excellent work. Now this R1 is SECR/SER vintage, the LCDR/SECR was 4-4-0/0-4-4 or something, is that correct? I remember earlier someone saying they had the same classification but a different design. (and why not?) Indeed, the LCDR did have a class of 0-4-4t designated R1, handsome engines they were too 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 11, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Hi Chris, Yes it is of SER vintage. LCDR stock seems remarkably lacking in model form!! However the SECR runnng rights on Oak Hill are inherited from the SER so most SECR stock for the time being will be SER or SECR. I do plan on making some LCDR things in the future, but my priorities lie with the LBSCR stock for the time being, for obvious reasons!! Gary 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted July 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2017 Hi Chris, Yes it is of SER vintage. LCDR stock seems remarkably lacking in model form!! However the SECR runnng rights on Oak Hill are inherited from the SER so most SECR stock for the time being will be SER or SECR. I do plan on making some LCDR things in the future, but my priorities lie with the LBSCR stock for the time being, for obvious reasons!! Gary Gary, I was just checking. I thought we said it was SER vintage but if it was LCDR I might have looked out for one to go on my list of projects. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 High Gary nice work as always love the way you've gone to the effort to cut the chassis back to give a bit of "Light" under the boiler. Like you I begrudge paying for small fittings like the air pump and getting a range of detail parts for a loco can soon add up also after paying good money for what was a lump of white metal masquerading as an air pump which was so poor it went straight in the bin I decided to make as much as I could and now make all my air pumps out of brass and have even made a small jig to cut and solder them on. You might recall seeing them on my Caley loco thread but here's an example. Dunalastair I air pump from brass.jpg I may be wrong.....but I thinnk the arrangement on the R1 is not actually an Air Pump (Westinghouse Brake). I think it may well be a Steam Reverser.....The Wainright C class has these I believe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2017 I may be wrong.....but I thinnk the arrangement on the R1 is not actually an Air Pump (Westinghouse Brake). I think it may well be a Steam Reverser.....The Wainright C class has these I believe? I'm gonna have to go do some reading now and see if I can confirm that!! It looks like a Westinghouse pump anyway so what I built will do. Gary 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 It is the steam reverser - the SECR was a vacuum brake line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted July 12, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Thanks Nick, I'm glad I have you lot to put me right!! Gary PS. This is Oak Hill's 1000th post!!!!! :danced: Edited July 12, 2017 by BlueLightning 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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