MikeTrice Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 With all the excitement over PECO's introduction of bullhead OO track this product seems to have been overlooked: https://www.facebook.com/Britishrailwaymodellingmagazine/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Been a cracking month for modern image modellers - OHLE and Mk3s A lot to save up for! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveb860 Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Not overlooked at all, this thread has been running since 2009 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/13868-peco-ohle/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 29, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think this was first reported in the melee of announcements at Warley. What I am concerned about is the catanery wire on above the top arm, this is not common British practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Been a cracking month for modern image modellers - OHLE and Mk3s ......but Mk3's weren't around in the 1960's ?????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I think part of the problem has been how big the market would be. I suggested to one rep from another company that they should introduce their range of Spanish gear into UK, but was told too many would complain it did not look right, when in fact most people would be happy to have something rather than nothing. I think they might have actually done what I suggested(but not as a result of me saying it though), and now Peco have found there is even more interest in a UK type product. Given the resurgence of electric tramways in UK, there is a need for more models suitable for UK modellers. Most available are HO scale. Edited February 4, 2016 by rue_d_etropal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2016 ......but Mk3's weren't around in the 1960's ?????? Hi Ron Lea Valley line 1969, so yes it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Hi Ron Lea Valley line 1969, so yes it was. Ha Ha. As some of the young folk say these days..."I see what you did there". . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewlisle Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 At long last, Peco has revealed its long promised ready to run catenary system. From the photos in February’s Railway Modeller it is what 95% of 4mm modellers have been waiting for. So all you armchair modellers, rivet counters (or should it be ‘insulator counters’), prototypical modellers & regular critics of what the major manufacturers produce please do not criticise Peco for their effort in producing catenary which the average modeller will welcome with open arms. Is this the turning point in encouraging Bachmann (Fantastic Class 85; looking forward to the Class 91!) & Hornby to produce more AC locos, eg a decent modern Class 86, 87 or APT-P? I have had OHLE on my 00 gauge layout ‘Crewlisle’ for 30 years & it is always a point of interest & questions at exhibitions. I used JV single masts (still available) as they looked like BR single masts, modified their continental portal frames to look like early WCML masts but scratchbuilt the actual catenary wire as it is unique to each layout as it depends on the radius of the curves & points. The loco pantograph is always in contact with the contact wire. It is all portable & is tested to a scale speed of 100 mph. I have seen a number of layouts at exhibitions with super detailed scale catenary but only dare run their locos at just over shunting speed! Why have an APT & not run it at its scale speed? Looking at the Peco offering, it is sturdy enough for the pantograph to be in contact with the wire, the catenary wire appears to be a good compromise between prototypical & practical size in 4mm scale & (if required) appears to be quite easy to make both the masts & catenary wire portable like mine. Making it portable makes it easy for track cleaning/repairs, fitting across baseboard joints & entrances to tunnels. However, do not think it will be cheap! The masts are nickel silver/steel & I believe it is made by Sommerfeldt. However, if I was starting again I would bite the bullet & pay the price for a ready-made quality product designed for the British market. Modellers have waited a long time for this so don’t moan at the price or what Peco have not provided! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) Hi Crewlisle The catenary wire above the top arm is as wrong as parallel boilered GWR Castle or a 4-4-2 Flying Scotsman. I know they are based in Devon where there is no OLE but there are enough photos on the web for them have a look at and see what is wrong. Surely this does not have to be another "Well you model British so put up with what you are given". https://www.flickr.com/photos/75784477@N08/14782297951/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lastarial/8643820445/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/resilient741/16579031935/in/photolist-rg2SAc-a6UWxN-ojLUTY-9cgukE-9cgszm-7Ymga1-dKbrvi-jeS9sn-ndRZXY-qZMtKf-dLsPnZ-9cdm1z-myKqEB-79mtNX-s2nxFM-9cgufu-nQbA1g-qdcY5k-coLkzN-soamsS-wTJdUW-9cgrgd-s7Ztoz-5t6X9Q-ezJwnE-ri5Mnp-mWtW7V-qLHVQe-u4WR6Y-9wXVYu-tR836s-acBidE-vXjccM-9cdqfM-9cggB9-s8436z-pkKncr-npEdZX-tWDVh8-pcoReG-xd9qbo-nr78tm-pdRsyY-p4AQYA-i6K35e-r8Zu1C-e3vDJZ-eadNfB-rdpiZp-6Dx3oZ https://www.flickr.com/photos/resilient741/16579031935/in/photolist-rg2SAc-a6UWxN-ojLUTY-9cgukE-9cgszm-7Ymga1-dKbrvi-jeS9sn-ndRZXY-qZMtKf-dLsPnZ-9cdm1z-myKqEB-79mtNX-s2nxFM-9cgufu-nQbA1g-qdcY5k-coLkzN-soamsS-wTJdUW-9cgrgd-s7Ztoz-5t6X9Q-ezJwnE-ri5Mnp-mWtW7V-qLHVQe-u4WR6Y-9wXVYu-tR836s-acBidE-vXjccM-9cdqfM-9cggB9-s8436z-pkKncr-npEdZX-tWDVh8-pcoReG-xd9qbo-nr78tm-pdRsyY-p4AQYA-i6K35e-r8Zu1C-e3vDJZ-eadNfB-rdpiZp-6Dx3oZ https://www.flickr.com/photos/monochromeloco/23683260421/ In all the above links the catenary wire is below the top arm. Edited February 7, 2016 by Clive Mortimore Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 the amount of H section above the point of the upper insulator seems to be excessive certainly for WCML masts. o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted February 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2016 https://www.facebook.com/Britishrailwaymodellingmagazine/photos/ms.c.eJxFz9kRxDAIBcGMtriP~;BNbYWy93y4GJGYW7fCubNXsHy8ECUskC8AtiMwv8E4wYCfsASNKmwnpArh5hzLgnJUOJL5JAjahFzRq4DwVMDsiMdGzg0gBmwTgSaJf8Jy~;eBEDJmE1wCQWeUE2IcAm39mi~_b57FOBMVN8rB2ap3CtFvkkCNqE~;ZYdUtA~-~-.bps.a.1112394162126956.1073741851.185729314793450/1112396602126712/?type=3&theater is the link that will take you to the picture on the BRM facebook page rather than just the page itself. Personal thoughts: I've never seen a UK concrete mast base with that weird double layer thing going on. There is, as ThaneOfFife says, too much H section above the top tube. Where is the insulator for the return conductor that should be on the back of the mast? Worst of all though is, as Clive says, that catenary wire going over the top tube instead of under it. I'm guessing the big solder blob holding the registration arm in place is an emergency repair? I certainly hope so! Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 15, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2016 I have just been looking at a video of a DB line in Bavaria (thread elsewhere on RMWeb). The masts look very similar to what Peco are proposing so I think that it is really just a case of rebadging an existing Sommerfeldt item. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brigo Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 There is a downloadable catalogue on the Sommerfeldt website http://www.sommerfeldt.de/data/sommerfeldt-katalog-2009.pdf The Peco mast looks very similar to the Swiss item 319 on page 20. Maybe the strange base is to increase the height of the mast to overcome the OO/HO scale difference. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Peco announced this several years ago. Has it really taken them that long to re-badge an existing product? It looks like we will never get an accurate model of British OHLE. We could have bought the nearest alternative years ago & modified it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 I actually did, and have been running pan up for some years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewlisle Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 I actually did, and have been running pan up for some years now. Me also. I used JV catenary, originally advertised as Hadley JV, in the 1980s. My catenary has been in use for over 30 years, JV masts & JV modified continental style portal frames. Looks & works OK with many good comments at exhibitions. See my Comment No. 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajt Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Is the mast made from flathead or bullhead rail? :-\ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted April 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2016 Perhaps there is so much variation within catenary designs that the only sensible way is 3D print. Would any of the materials regularly used by the likes of Shapeways be robust enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Perhaps there is so much variation within catenary designs that the only sensible way is 3D print. Would any of the materials regularly used by the likes of Shapeways be robust enough? WSF, BSF, FUD, B-HDA, and AP.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted April 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 5, 2016 Perhaps there is so much variation within catenary designs that the only sensible way is 3D print. Would any of the materials regularly used by the likes of Shapeways be robust enough? The only sensible way is to scratch build in brass, it's the only way to get a system that looks right and is strong enough to withstand tensioning the wires. Andi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Looks like the PECO OHLE Now has some more info available. http://www.ehattons.com/189839/Peco_Products_LC_100_Start_up_pack_12_masts_12_registration_arms_2_jigs_and_16_page_Shows_You_How_Gui/StockDetail.aspx Edited April 6, 2016 by thebritfarmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted April 6, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 6, 2016 Looks like the PECO OHLE Now has some more info available. http://www.ehattons.com/189839/Peco_Products_LC_100_Start_up_pack_12_masts_12_registration_arms_2_jigs_and_16_page_Shows_You_How_Gui/StockDetail.aspx £69 for the starter kit I like idea of a jig for planting the mast, just a bit confused as each mast is made for the location it is to planted in and is a one off. I was contacted by Peco asking if the website I had on OLE was still active. They were going to use it as a reference for those modelling OLE. They are not going to give the URL's to my waffle on RMweb despite it being the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Not bad I suppose as a single mast is $7.95 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Would you use the long wires on long runs, then switch to smaller wires for curves, crossovers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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