Edwardian Posted October 9, 2016 Author Share Posted October 9, 2016 I remember the grounded coach at Morston quay. I also remember the inhabitant though I've forgotten his name. BTW if you think Lewis is a bit out of date, what does that make Agricola? Richard A mine of information? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted October 9, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2016 For those into pre steam railways, a very interesting read is "The Brecon Forest Tramroads - the archaeology of an early railway system" by Stephen Hughes (RCHMW, 1990). The government was selling off assets to balance the books during the Napoleonic Wars and The Great Forest of Brecon (open moorland type Forest) was offered for sale with promises of fantastic coal and other minerals. The chap who bought it, one John Christie, had made his money importing dyes etc. He lost it trying to make a go of the Brecon Forest estate. But he tried hard and part of it was an ambitiuous horse worked tramway from Gurnos in the Swansea valley to Sennybridge near Brecon. An excellent book. All you need to model the line is some working model horses. Jonathan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 And, I've been racking my brains for instances of horse-drawn railways in Norfolk, to avoid gross off-topickery. I'll admit that I couldn't think of one, so had to google, and discovered that the Wissington Railway was horse-drawn in its initial incarnation. So, going back to the post that started this diversion: The Levelling Party are surveying the route for a horse-drawn adjunct to the WNR, with a view to opening-up agricultural trade from an under-developed district. K 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J C Fenton Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Nice coach in progress. It is a good generic style, but not too dissimilar from GE coaches when you put the arc roof on it, like the ones D&S used to do. A bit early for me, but very nice. How are you going to paint it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 How are you going to paint it? Like this: 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 Excellent. Thanks goodness the RTR manufacturers haven't produced one of those, where would the fun have been? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Very posh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 Like this: Beautiful! And thanks - you've helped me decide that the brake coach on EW needs to have red ends! It looks rather good with the green and cream. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Excellent. Thanks goodness the RTR manufacturers haven't produced one of those, where would the fun have been? Beautiful! And thanks - you've helped me decide that the brake coach on EW needs to have red ends! It looks rather good with the green and cream. Thank you. Well, at least the photographs show where I need to do some touching up! I almost posted a picture on Elsbridge to show a new coach in "our" livery, but thought that might be a bit cheeky! I quite like the green end, too, but, yes, if you are devising your own carriage livery, why wouldn't you elect to paint the brake ends red?!? Very posh. Well, yes, the Line's most modern express coaches. Hopefully the effect of 4 or 5 together will be pleasing. Edited October 10, 2016 by Edwardian 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 Thank you. Well, at least the photographs show where I need to do some touching up! I almost posted a picture on Elsbridge to show a new coach in "our" livery, but thought that might be a bit cheeky! I quite like the green end, too, but, yes, if you are devising your own carriage livery, why wouldn't you elect to paint the brake ends red?!? Well, yes, the Line's most modern express coaches. Hopefully the effect of 4 or 5 together will be pleasing. You should have posted a photo - it is a very nice livery! I think red for the brake end, and green for the other end is the way to go - it just looks right. Really must get cracking and finish painting mine. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 You should have posted a photo - it is a very nice livery! I think red for the brake end, and green for the other end is the way to go - it just looks right. Really must get cracking and finish painting mine. Yes, you should. I look forward to seeing your excellent coaches painted. Not least the coupé. I think when the West Norfolk opened Castle Aching station in the latter '50s, it must have had a first class coupé, though, alas, that will have been long gone by 1905! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted October 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 11, 2016 Yes, you should. I look forward to seeing your excellent coaches painted. Not least the coupé. I think when the West Norfolk opened Castle Aching station in the latter '50s, it must have had a first class coupé, though, alas, that will have been long gone by 1905! I will, I will...honest guv'nor! I'm sure it would still be around then - the stationmaster will need a nice home for his chickens surely?! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I think not. I'm sure that I saw it last week, right at the back of the carriage-shed, having been retained nominally as a Directors' Saloon, but in practice as the place where The General Manager partakes of intimate suppers, and discussions of poetry, which his wife doesn't understand, with Mrs Broughton, who became a widow while still very much in the prime of life. K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 This is rather more urban than Castle Aching, and the wrong area, but a fascinating look at life in 1900 that you don't get from still photos. Watch out for the bloke learning to ride a bike, and how his teacher helps to save his life! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nI4oLBvYMM 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) This is rather more urban than Castle Aching, and the wrong area, but a fascinating look at life in 1900 that you don't get from still photos. Watch out for the bloke learning to ride a bike, and how his teacher helps to save his life! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nI4oLBvYMM Magnificent! Saddened by the unexpected and inexplicable absence of whippets, but, otherwise, superb. Thank you. Mind you, I wouldn't have wanted to be a tram driver in 1900; people were practically throwing themselves in front of the thing the whole way through! Edited October 11, 2016 by Edwardian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Mind you, I wouldn't have wanted to be a tram driver in 1900; people were practically throwing themselves in front of the thing the whole way through! There's a point where the filming stops abruptly as it gets very close to some people! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 There's a point where the filming stops abruptly as it gets very close to some people! The judge sealed the court file! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Marvellous! Both content and quality. Is it from a set of films made by messrs X&Y (memory fails me), parts of which periodically appear in TV documentaries? K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Marvellous! Both content and quality. Is it from a set of films made by messrs X&Y (memory fails me), parts of which periodically appear in TV documentaries? K No idea. I discovered it through Vintage Everyday on Facebook. Lots of stuff of Victorian/Edwardian interest keeps coming up. This is the web site http://www.vintag.es/ Edited October 11, 2016 by BG John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
£1.38 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Mitchell & Kenyon did a lot of this type of video. The kids were surely playing to the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 A box arrived today. From Shapeways. It contained 3 pairs of wagon underframes, a 5-plank body and a marked but unfamiliar smell. These are new designs from Quarryscapes of this parish. He strode manfully into the fray when I was debating my options for creating 9'6" wheel-base wagons. This wheel-base typified both GE and GN wagon output from the 1880s, yet I found that there were no wagon or u/f kits suitable, as 9' or 10' u/fs are the norm. What Norm has to do with this, I am entirely unsure. But Alan's efforts are certainly appreciated. These are wooden 9'6" w/b wagons - 2 of each u/f are provided: GER Square Grease GER Teardrop Grease GNR Grease They are found here: http://www.shapeways.com/product/HUUXXNYFP/15-x-9-6-underframe-mix-set-4mm-scale?optionId=60772530 They should prove suitable for GER Diagram 16, GER un-diagrammed 4-plank and GN equivalent. I shall attempt one of each of these and will attempt to scratch-build 2 of the bodies. Just waiting for some Gibson open spoke wheels and top-hat bearings to arrive. 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Mitchell & Kenyon did a lot of this type of video. The kids were surely playing to the camera. The website confirms that it was indeed from the Mitchell Kenyon collection though the date must have bee a bit later than 1900 as the system didn't open until 1902. Let's say 1905 as seems to be a popular date round here! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted October 11, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 11, 2016 The thing that struck me on that tram ride was the state of the road surfaces, compared with riding round in a car on today's tarmac roads. Totally grotty cobbles, smothered in horse poo, dead uneven. Must think again about that when doing mine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 11, 2016 Author Share Posted October 11, 2016 The thing that struck me on that tram ride was the state of the road surfaces, compared with riding round in a car on today's tarmac roads. Totally grotty cobbles, smothered in horse poo, dead uneven. Must think again about that when doing mine. The Memsahib can supply you with the horse poo .. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 A box arrived today. From Shapeways. It contained 3 pairs of wagon underframes, a 5-plank body and a marked but unfamiliar smell. These are new designs from Quarryscapes of this parish. He strode manfully into the fray when I was debating my options for creating 9'6" wheel-base wagons. This wheel-base typified both GE and GN wagon output from the 1880s, yet I found that there were no wagon or u/f kits suitable, as 9' or 10' u/fs are the norm. What Norm has to do with this, I am entirely unsure. But Alan's efforts are certainly appreciated. These are wooden 9'6" w/b wagons - 2 of each u/f are provided: GER Square Grease GER Teardrop Grease GNR Grease They are found here: http://www.shapeways.com/product/HUUXXNYFP/15-x-9-6-underframe-mix-set-4mm-scale?optionId=60772530 They should prove suitable for GER Diagram 16, GER un-diagrammed 4-plank and GN equivalent. I shall attempt one of each of these and will attempt to scratch-build 2 of the bodies. Just waiting for some Gibson open spoke wheels and top-hat bearings to arrive. I would be interested to know the history of these wagons, how long did they last? My research suggests a lot of pre grouping wagons were still in use at nationalisation were these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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