Edwardian Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) I think I've started something Here.. I think you'll need a suitable royal Horse(s) and carriage, waiting at the station... or carried in on a railway wagon with horse box.. attached to the train Hmm, yes. Well presumably the Royal Personage concerned is visiting Lord and Lady Erstwhile at Aching Hall. Lord Erstwhile would inevitably have Field Rank in the Yeomanry, I would imagine, and no doubt the Achingham Troop, made up of his tenants leavened with the shop boys of Achingham, would provide the escort. Logically, the Royal Personage would be accommodated in Lord Erstwhile's best carriage. Must visit Raby Castle's coach house for a suitable prototype. Alternatively, the Estate could have a special coach, though I don't think the Royal Personage would appreciate being bounced along a goods branch in an ancient 4-wheeler hauled by Dodo the Peckett! EDIT: Here we have the State Coach at Raby Castle. In fact of 1810-1820 vintage, but last used in 1902, by Lord Barnard at the Coronation of Edward VII. Too grand? Perhaps a "Victoria"? Edited January 23, 2017 by Edwardian 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Visiting foreign royalty (I think) being conveyed from Wolferton to Sandringham via open carriage with dragoon escort: 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 Agricultural labourers by Stadden. A good idea. Andrew Stadden is open to suggestions. I have, in the past, made a number, including children and railway workers. I feel that if others were to drop him an email, there is a reasonable prospect of some of the suggested sets emerging. Among the suggestions I have made are: - Edwardian country workers - agricultural labourers, hedgers/ditchers, gardeners, road-menders. I daresay there would be smocks, gaiters and string-tied trousers! - Edwardian servants - some in working and some in travelling clothes. Very many were in service and, so far, I have not seen Victorian or Edwardian layouts reflect this adequately. Those First Class passengers need to be accompanied by Ladies Maids and Valets in travelling clothes. Others could be in their working dress. Even modest middle class households had at least one servant, so really there should be house maids in evidence. Coachman, Footman, Butler, Cook! If anyone else is interested in these subjects, please let Mr Stadden know. I've just added my email, asking for country workers and those in service, to his inbox! My population, still sadly unpainted is rather top heavy as far as class is concerned being almost exclusively middle class and gentry. I'm not convinced that Newcastle Emlyn could ever have been described as that! Kind regards, Neil 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Here we have the State Coach at Raby Castle. In fact of 1810-1820 vintage, but last used in 1902, by Lord Barnard at the Coronation of Edward VII. Too grand? Perhaps a "Victoria"? Nothing would be too grand to impress Her Majesty! BTW, has anyone noticed that this thread is now on page 99? Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2017 Has anyone got the drawings for the GE royal train? It can't be that difficult to cut one out! I have a dream that if I live long enough I am going to make the LNWR royal train. Sadly I have a lot of carriages to make before I even start (although I'm thinking that the diners and sleeper can be also used in service trains. I'd probably have them painted LMS one side and LNWR the other....). Andy G 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Princess Mary Von Teck was ok with rude forms of rail transport. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Nothing would be too grand to impress Her Majesty! BTW, has anyone noticed that this thread is now on page 99? Jim A Regency coach might be less comfortable, at least in terms of suspension? Has anyone noticed we are almost a year out and no track, baseboards or motive power, or, even, railway room as yet?!? [Hangs head in shame] Has anyone got the drawings for the GE royal train? It can't be that difficult to cut one out! I have a dream that if I live long enough I am going to make the LNWR royal train. Sadly I have a lot of carriages to make before I even start (although I'm thinking that the diners and sleeper can be also used in service trains. I'd probably have them painted LMS one side and LNWR the other....). Andy G I think it was something like a 5-coach bogie set, and, when introduced, the only bogie vehicles one would have seen in Norfolk. I am sure the GE trains in west Norfolk were mostly 6-wheelers, but peppered with the odd clerestory bogie by 1905. Anyhow, one of my pet projects is the real Royal station at Wolferton in the early 1900s. My devious plan was that most of the GE stock suitable for CA could also be used on a Wolferton layout, providing a head start! A T19, T26, Royal Claud, No. 1 Class and a brace of Y14s, one fitted for passenger working. Well, I aim to produce at least a No.1 Class and a string of GE 6-wheelers, plus assorted GE goods stock, for CA anyway, and that would be a good start for the Lynn & Hunstanton, too. The essential requirement for Wolferton would be the Royal Train. It amazes me how long it took me to realise that there was no reason it could not also run on CA. I wonder if the GERS has any drawings? I have now joined, BTW. Princess Mary Von Teck was ok with rude forms of rail transport. Opening a new coprolite mine by any chance? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Well, a new opening in the coprolite business would, I agree, merit monarchical meandering, but no: coal on standard gauge; tin on narrow. Seems that the new king and queen were barely out of mines, workshops etc between the coronation and WW1, and they even got to name "his and hers" locos at GKN Dowlais in 1912 http://www.alangeorge.co.uk/Images_D-H/Dowlais_SteelArch_atgoatMillRoadGate_1912.JPG . There are plenty of photos of them travelling by various extemporary royal saloons, at place all over the country. Methinks they were on s serious charm offensive, in an attempt to put right reputational damage caused by "your" king. K Edited January 23, 2017 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The Kent & East Sussex and the Shropshire & Montgomeryshire Light Railways each had an ex-LSWR Royal saloon, although they were many years out of royal patronage by the early c20 - www.hfstephens-museum.org.uk/rolling-stock/stephens-royal-saloons It might have been helpful if George V had directed the charm offensive towards European watering places as Edward VII had done with considerable success... Incidentally, Captain Alaric Churchward (there's a name for you), the South Eastern & Chatham's man in Paris, received the Victorian Order for being helpful in facilitating Edward's trips to Biarritz. Capt Churchward in earlier years had been a Cambridge athletics Blue and then married into the Neame brewing family. He had previously been in charge of Queenborough Pier, in its brief period of being frequented by the crowned heads of Europe. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Princess Mary Von Teck was ok with rude forms of rail transport. That's better. Send 'em down the pits, and make them work to pay for their castles and hangers on . 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Anotheran Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) The Kent & East Sussex and the Shropshire & Montgomeryshire Light Railways each had an ex-LSWR Royal saloon, although they were many years out of royal patronage by the early c20 - I have to admit that on my first glance at the picture and the mention of royal train meant that I read the lettering on the left end of the carriage as Kaiser! Edit to say that I was clearly reading too fast as my mind wandered as far as wondering what the map of the Kent & East Sussex and Shropshire and Montgomeryshire Light Railway looked like! Edited January 23, 2017 by Anotheran Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Burnham Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Providing sufficient running powers were available, the map would have looked very impressive! I wonder how long a Terrier or an Ilfracombe Goods would have taken from (say) Tenterden Town to Criggion? Would probably have had to introduce sleeping cars... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Providing sufficient running powers were available, the map would have looked very impressive! I wonder how long a Terrier or an Ilfracombe Goods would have taken from (say) Tenterden Town to Criggion? Would probably have had to introduce sleeping cars... Don't start giving me ideas. I hope to be starting on Holman's End soon, which is a fictitious branch off the K&ESR, but now I'm thinking it could be a branch off a line connecting it to the S&M, so I could have a greater variety of stock! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 23, 2017 BTW, has anyone noticed that this thread is now on page 99? ... and has had one of its characteristic and highly entertaining random topic lurches - from travelling muck to travelling royalty! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Princess Mary Von Teck was ok with rude forms of rail transport.Though hardly a 100% totally committed Royalist*, do I assume this Gorman Princess is the future Queen Mary? When, in my first year at Liverpool and head down and hurrying,late as usual for an early morning structures lecture, I nearly barged into her as she was arranging herself after descending from her pependicular Daimler to open a new wing of the Medical School, she was decidedly unamused at my rudeness. dh *but I must admit I could never countenance someone like Farage as President Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 More a princess with a German name, than a German princess, i think, but I guess that was a fine distinction in saxe-coburg-gotha days, and yes. That incident must have been a year or two back! K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Donw Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 I do look forward to seeing the Royal train. Don Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Though hardly a 100% totally committed Royalist*, do I assume this Gorman Princess is the future Queen Mary? When, in my first year at Liverpool and head down and hurrying,late as usual for an early morning structures lecture, I nearly barged into her as she was arranging herself after descending from her pependicular Daimler to open a new wing of the Medical School, she was decidedly unamused at my rudeness. dh *but I must admit I could never countenance someone like Farage as President Well, she died in 1953. My father nearly pushed Arthur Scargil under a train at St Pancras. He, too, claimed it was an accident. I do look forward to seeing the Royal train. Don I'd quite look forward to seeing any train on CA! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Square Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 In the west country Hedges were often planted atop a stone and earth bank.We have such a hedge on two sides of our property. In Shropshire a Hedge alongside a ditch was common. Don There is still a fair bit of hedge laying going on up north. A couple of my customers are practised hedge layers. A Yorkshire Hedge is a hedge where the farmer throws all his stones and small boulders (extracted from the field) along the base of the hedge forming a rough bank similar to what you describe Don. There are a couple at the end of our drive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkshire Square Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 My father nearly pushed Arthur Scargil under a train at St Pancras... Nearly???! Should have tried harder. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Nearly???! Should have tried harder. He said he didn't realise who it was at first. ... which might explain his lack of success. I had a charming conversation with an elderly, and seemingly familiar, gent in the old booking hall at St Pancras. Took me a while to realise it was Tony Benn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ChrisN Posted January 23, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 23, 2017 Only a year and no track! I think it took me two years at least to get to track that worked. As for period stock it still numbers, one first class coach, two Parliamentary coaches as yet unpainted, and a North British mineral wagon. No period locos though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Only a year and no track! I think it took me two years at least to get to track that worked. As for period stock it still numbers, one first class coach, two Parliamentary coaches as yet unpainted, and a North British mineral wagon. No period locos though. Yes, but you have a characterful population, a rather wonderful station building, and 3 coaches more than I have! Not to mention a baseboard! We do what we can and we keep going, and do so in intelligent companionship! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runs as required Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Mention of the GER Royal train caused me to recall this image in the paper a few days ago. It is of the Antarctic Halley research station about to wander off in search of a crackfree spot on the ice to rest its weary legs. It has something of the pleasantly irregular profile of rolling stock of varying provenance on a remote light railway. dh 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Mention of the GER Royal train caused me to recall this image in the paper a few days ago. GER royal train.jpg It is of the Antarctic Halley research station about to wander off in search of a crackfree spot on the ice to rest its weary legs. It has something of the pleasantly irregular profile of rolling stock of varying provenance on a remote light railway. dh I scanned through that and misread crackpot instead of crackfree! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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