Martin S-C Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 It can be if pretty trains take centre stage. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2019 5 hours ago, robmcg said: We in NZ tried double Fairlies but but by 1906 were building compound 4-cylinder 4-6-2s or Pacifics, not a mile from where I was born in 1950. My paternal grandfather was a top link driver until 1945 retirement and favoured these engines over 2-cylinder variants.... earlier in his railway career he drove U S style 4-6-0s.. We even tried Garratts by Beyer Peacock in the 1920s but settled on 4-8-4s from 1932-on... just for interest. Now back to the real world.... in Westminster I believe... My grandad drove Ab Pacifics. He was at Morrinsville shed and then was later transferred to Auckland. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 26, 2019 9 hours ago, robmcg said: Whatever happened to Johnson's purity of line? I know this isn't quite what you mean, but it took on a "new century" look of its own: [Photo ought really to be of a Belpaire but I haven't got a good postable photo of one in original condition; likewise I haven't got a front three-quarters view of 2631 or 2632, for which I have to refer you to R. Essery and D. Jenkinson, Midland Locomotives Vol 2 (Wild Swan, 1988) plate 287.] The Smith-Johnson compound probably represents the limit of technical development within the purely British locomotive engineering tradition, without recourse to direct American or French influence. In his report to shareholders in February 1903, the Midland's chairman, Sir Ernest Paget, said: "I believe that these engines are superior to perhaps anything at present running in this country. We know, at the same time, that the Great Western Company are building some engines of the type adopted by the Northern of France, which may be, for all I know, equal to, and perhaps superior to, the engines which Mr Johnson has built. I am quite sure that Lord Cawdor will allow his locomotive superintendent to give Mr Johnson every information on the subject, and in return Mr Johnson will, I am sure, give his locomotive superintendent every opportunity of investigating his engines." [quoted in P.E. Baughan, The Midland Railway North of Leeds (David & Charles, 1966).] It would have been rather interesting if that suggestion had been taken up and locomotive exchanges had taken place! 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brack Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Buhar said: Obviously, there was no design precedent for the Big Goods and the credit should go to Jones for that. I'd heard a story a while back regarding indian influence for the jones goods. Turns out the web may be more tangled than we thought, and less CME dependent. Dubs built this in 1889-1890. L class for nizams state railway. Hendrie, the chief draughtsman at lochgorm when the jones goods were ordered in 1893, had previously worked at Dubs as a leading draughtsman, and at Sharp Stewart before that (previous to which he'd started out at lochgorm). So perhaps it was his design, inspired by work he'd done at Dubs, agreed by Jones and ordered from his old friends at SS. In which case, credit to Jones for recruiting someone with experience further afield. Coincidentally the river class was also known to be based on a previous design for india. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Martin S-C said: It can be if pretty trains take centre stage. Ver' nice! Is that one of those "road-railers" with the steering wheel on the side? Just askin' 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, brack said: I'd heard a story a while back regarding indian influence for the jones goods. Turns out the web may be more tangled than we thought, and less CME dependent. Dubs built this in 1889-1890. L class for nizams state railway. Hendrie, the chief draughtsman at lochgorm when the jones goods were ordered in 1893, had previously worked at Dubs as a leading draughtsman, and at Sharp Stewart before that (previous to which he'd started out at lochgorm). So perhaps it was his design, inspired by work he'd done at Dubs, agreed by Jones and ordered from his old friends at SS. In which case, credit to Jones for recruiting someone with experience further afield. Coincidentally the river class was also known to be based on a previous design for india. Many years ago, I acquired a solid brass model of what I was told was an Indian locomotive, built to HO scale, of something very similar but rather larger in size. I think I know where it is, and if I can find it, I'll take a snap and post it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 23/10/2019 at 11:00, TheQ said: I'd be more concerned about the lack of mooring lines and springs.. Absolutely. It sort of leaps out at you. Mind you, some time ago I responded to a query elsewhere on th'interweb about mooring lines from a chap whose model shipbuilding skills were without question. For some reason, though, it seems that the addition of correct mooring lines became 'too difficult' and was never done. Given the details he had put on his ship, I found this most perplexing, but there we go... Mark 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted October 26, 2019 Share Posted October 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Hroth said: Ver' nice! Is that one of those "road-railers" with the steering wheel on the side? Just askin' Its either a road railer or a railroader. Either works for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 26/10/2019 at 09:16, brack said: I'd heard a story a while back regarding indian influence for the jones goods. Turns out the web may be more tangled than we thought, and less CME dependent. Hmm, I like that. Very smart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2019 On 26/10/2019 at 09:16, brack said: I'd heard a story a while back regarding indian influence for the jones goods. Turns out the web may be more tangled than we thought, and less CME dependent. Dubs built this in 1889-1890. L class for nizams state railway. Hendrie, the chief draughtsman at lochgorm when the jones goods were ordered in 1893, had previously worked at Dubs as a leading draughtsman, and at Sharp Stewart before that (previous to which he'd started out at lochgorm). So perhaps it was his design, inspired by work he'd done at Dubs, agreed by Jones and ordered from his old friends at SS. In which case, credit to Jones for recruiting someone with experience further afield. Coincidentally the river class was also known to be based on a previous design for india. "Kick one and they all limp." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 (edited) May I take advantage of the lax rules around here and posit that all locomotive development might just as well have ceased in 1885 when Johnson and the Midland Railway Company came up with this 1738 class? No RTR model I know of so I have adapted an image from some public domain... Makes you wonder why the GWR bothered really... at least in terms of aesthetics, which I am certain make engines run better. Edited October 27, 2019 by robmcg typos 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2019 13 hours ago, robmcg said: May I take advantage of the lax rules around here and posit that all locomotive development might just as well have ceased in 1885 when Johnson and the Midland Railway Company came up with this 1738 class? I'm not sure S.W. Johnson - with another 17 years in office to go - would have been agreed! Steam sanding, piston valves, compounding all to come. It's a moot point whether the slide-valve 4-4-0s and 4-2-2s, with the low profile front frames, or the piston-valve engines, with deeper front frames and hence a more go at 'em look, are visually the finer. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2019 a late entry for ditch of the day Nick 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, nick_bastable said: a late entry for ditch of the day Nick They seem puzzled. Are they looking for an extension? 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2019 Owd Bob has got some helpers laying his 7 1/4” line. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, nick_bastable said: a late entry for ditch of the day Nick I'm amazed that they can identify that a ditch should go there! Anyhow only three more days for ditches to be completed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Chap with big hammer at far end ....... doing the fell deed? Edited October 28, 2019 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: Chap with big hammer at far end ....... doing the fell deed? ‘S what I thought. By “fell deed”, do you mean as in, “the hammer fell out of my hand, honest it did, guv’”? Not sure it suits the other meaning of “fell”, as it might be seen as a mercy killing... Edited October 28, 2019 by Regularity Autocorrect wrong again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonB Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) On 26/10/2019 at 03:03, Martin S-C said: It can be if pretty trains take centre stage. No one has identified the purpose of the spoked wheel on the side of the loco. My thoughts are = Reversing gear operation ?, Brake adjustment ? , shaker for firebox grate. ?, Wind up the spring ? Edited October 28, 2019 by DonB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Fell deed - Having just cautioned someone I work with for using the language of “war and battles” when talking about B..,.t, I think I’m now with the Archbish, so will refrain from comment. Wheel- it’s the flywheel of a donkey pump, which doesn’t actually inflate donkeys, but supplies water to the boiler, instead of an injector, and probably as well as an axle or cross head driven feed pump. Edited October 28, 2019 by Nearholmer 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin S-C Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I thought it was turning it when its on a turntable? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, DonB said: No one has identified the purpose of the spoked wheel on the side of the loco. My thoughts are = Reversing gear operation ?, Brake adjustment ? , shaker for firebox grate. ?, Wind up the spring ? Thats the flywheel of a steam driven pump for delivering the feedwater into the boiler. The engine has feedwater heated by exhaust steam, like a lot of Beattie LSWR engines. Normally the boiler feed is done by Giffard injectors, but this needs cold water going into the injector to function, and here the feed has been warmed, to try and increase efficiency. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 28, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, Martin S-C said: I thought it was turning it when its on a turntable? Nah. It’s for winding up the spring to power it - better than having a loose key. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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