Castle Aching

[Edwardian]

53 minutes ago, TheQ said:

Hold yew hard Bor, Hold Yew Hard..

http://norfolkdialect.com/glossary05.htm

 

Thank you for that.

 

A joyful mixture of words so familiar to me (spoken in the North and the East Midlands) as not to seem dialect at all, and many wholly new to me.

 

I was surprised to discover that a stream might be a "beck" in Norfolk, as this seems such a North Country word to me (it's a "brook" where I grew up). 

 

It is said that for "yes" the Norfolk is "yis", and I can thus imagine New Zealand colonised from Norfolk, with "yis" in due course achieving its ultimate contraction to "ys".  Annie can confirm! 

 

EDIT: Just found this

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Edwardian

[TheQ]

If yew want to Speak Norfolk, Listen  to Harry on this page. He be a proper Norfolk boy and Marshman ,

Harry died a couple of years back, and I inherited his model railway..

 

http://voicesofhickling.co.uk/h-nudd-1.html

Edited December 12, 2019 by TheQ

[runs as required]

8 hours ago, robmcg said:

IDoes Norfolk have an accent?  Or even a local language?  Every locality should have one, surely?

“Molly Linley she smokes loik a chimblee

Shi’s moi li’le nocoteen gerrl “

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by runs as required

[TheQ]

2 minutes ago, runs as required said:

“Molly Linley she smoke loik a chimblee

Shi’s moi li’le nocoteen gerrl “

 

https://www.literarynorfolk.co.uk/singing_postman.htm

[Nearholmer]

And, how much camping-up is going on there?

[wagonman]

9 hours ago, robmcg said:

In defence of my rash off-the-topic picture, there was been reference here of late to Wikipedia, and 70010 'Owen Glendower' had its plates stolen in 1966 and they were replaced with proper Welsh ones..  spelt ' Owain Glendwyr '  fitted in December 1966.  Withdrawn September 1967.  According to Wikipedia or should that be Wikipaedia?

 

 

Wikipedia. The other version has a different root, and unfortunate connotations...

 

 

"Does Norfolk have an accent?  Or even a local language?  Every locality should have one, surely?"

 

Norfolk has a dialect as well as an accent though it's rapidly being replaced with Estuary English alas. I'm sure it would have been commonplace in Castle Aching in 1905.

 

 

 

 

Mmmm. Late to the party as usual...

Edited December 12, 2019 by wagonman

[wagonman]

1 hour ago, Regularity said:

When I was a child, BBC East used to regularly feature a Norfolk poet, speaking his verse in local accent and dialect.

 

Since I grew up over 100 miles from Norwich, the effect of hearing this was to make "Rambling Syd Rumpo" seem positively comprehensible.

 

There is a group of railway modellers around Norwich who call themselves the "Norfolk Mardlers", which gives a hint of how they speak.

 

I used to be a member and, yes, there was a lot of mardling but very little of it in a recognisably Norfolk accent. I think the pun  was too good to resist.

 

 

[Hroth]

1 hour ago, Nearholmer said:

And, how much camping-up is going on there?

 

As much as in a Julian and Sandy* exchange???

 

* Moving on from "Rambling Syd Rumpo"...

[Annie]

2 hours ago, Edwardian said:

It is said that for "yes" the Norfolk is "yis", and I can thus imagine New Zealand colonised from Norfolk, with "yis" in due course achieving its ultimate contraction to "ys".  Annie can confirm! 

Our 'yes' or at least here in the Waikato sounds like 'yisa' with the 'a' soft and on a slight rising tone.  Or that what the American priest who was in our parish a year or two ago told me.  He struggled a bit with our brand of English until he got used to us.

[Donw]

One of my modelling friends was Frank Heath Born and lived in Totnes  he spoke in the local dialect with a lovely soft devon accent.  Most of what you hear today is an echo of the old accent mixxed with all sorts of accents. No doubt thins are much the same in Norfolk. Coastal towns especially attract retirees who bring their own accents with them.

 

Don

[Hroth]

16 minutes ago, Annie said:

Our 'yes' or at least here in the Waikato sounds like 'yisa' with the 'a' soft and on a slight rising tone.  Or that what the American priest who was in our parish a year or two ago told me.  He struggled a bit with our brand of English until he got used to us.

 

I've mentioned this before, but I used to work with a girl from New Zealand, she had a beautiful accent.  Only problem was, I tend to start mimicking peoples accents... 

[Nearholmer]

The traditional Sussex ‘yes’ can be sounded several ways:

 

- like as not;

 

- mebbe (maybe);

 

- well now (much elongated, and with screwing-up of face);

 

- that’s one way o tacklin it;

 

- etc.

 

Any form of words really, provided that it doesn’t convey either positive assent, or a flat refusal.

 

The old way of giving an actual, positive reply, on the one in ten trillion occasions when one was merited, was to say: Dreckly, i.e. directly.

 

’No’ was sounded in roughly the same way, but with the tiniest bit more screwing-up of the face, or as: If it wasn’t f’ ........ (followed by a long list of excuses/reasons).

 

 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Nearholmer

[Edwardian]

12 hours ago, drmditch said:

 

Splendid cartoon!

It doesn't seem to enlarge, so I can't read the small lettering.

Is that the young Mr Pitt at the helm?

What is written on the flag flying from the island?

Since the vessel as rigged can only be sailed on a dead run (ie downwind) how will it escape wreck on the island at the end of the passage.?

Who does the strikingly underdressed lady represent?

 

Britannia (the buxom lady), seated in the "Vessel of the Constitution", is steered (as you say) by Pitt the Younger between Scylla "the rock of democracy", adorned with the French sans culotte 'cap of liberty', and the "whirlpool of arbitrary power", represented by a submerged crown.

 

Behind the ship are the "SHARKS: Dogs of Scylla", who are likely to be radical Whigs.  The centre figure is certainly Charles James Fox.  Conceivably the rear figure is fellow Tory Edmund Burke; Burke and Pitt formed a reforming ministry, but the French Revolution prompted them to abandon their plans for constitutional reform, but it could equally be leading Whig the Duke of Portland or someone else entirely. The front figure looks like the late actor Robert Morely!

 

As to the destination? Well, it would help if I could make out the flag, but I can't.

 

Hmm, a perilous journey to an unknown destination.  With that, I'm off to vote!

 

 

[wagonman]

There are not surprisingly many fine examples in the East Anglian Film Archive. Here's one about our local Housing Society http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/126160?fbclid=IwAR0QHsMx_rQ7xqUbPeTtNNTyoGHhqLgKMYcP4mKleHmMPjvshgDG6w2jKgg

There's another which I can't immediately find which features a native of Stiffkey who, when asked if he'd lived in Norfolk all his life, replied "not yet". 

 

 

[wagonman]

Here's another about farmer Ray Allen who has only recently left us. http://www.eafa.org.uk/catalogue/216911

[RedGemAlchemist]

3 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

There must be recordings of Norfolkians on-line, you tube maybe, and it’s essential to listen, because it’s a beautiful accent (bootiful?) that a list of a few dialect words does no justice to. The delivery is as important as the words and accent too; that’s very distinctive, and often very dryly humorous.

 

The thing is to find something genuine, not something camped-up, so probably an old recording of people talking among themselves, not talking for the benefit of a posh bloke from the BBC.

You should listen to my dad talk.

 

50 minutes ago, Donw said:

One of my modelling friends was Frank Heath Born and lived in Totnes, he spoke in the local dialect with a lovely soft Devon accent.  Most of what you hear today is an echo of the old accent mixed with all sorts of accents. No doubt things are much the same in Norfolk. Coastal towns especially attract retirees who bring their own accents with them.

See, my own accent is a mix of several, though a little of my Grandad's Irish comes out on certain words.

[Nearholmer]

28 minutes ago, wagonman said:

There's another which I can't immediately find which features a native of Stiffkey who, when asked if he'd lived in Norfolk all his life, replied "not yet". 

That is such a perfect example of what I mean about dry humour. Brilliant!

[drmditch]

14 hours ago, Malcolm 0-6-0 said:

 

Umm... that would be the junior adviser the elected member is discovered in flagrante delicto with at a certain stage in their parliamentary career. An event which leads to the hon. member saying that it was a combination of the wine, cigars and the stress of office which caused this embarrassing situation and he is offering his heartfelt apologies to his wife, his family, and his constituencies whose trust this singular event has abused and he has advised that he is seeking counselling and medical advice. One local wit was heard to remark that the latter was necessary given the young lady's reputation.  

 

He went on further to add that that his wife has rallied to his side as have his children Tarquin and Chantelle as well as the dog. 

 

The PM was contacted for a comment and replied "My government is moving forward to deliver all that we promised, and anything else was the fault of the previous government".  

 

I think that of all British Prime Ministers, William Pitt (the younger) was one of the most unlikely to be accused of such behavior.

[Compound2632]

16 hours ago, Malcolm 0-6-0 said:

his children Tarquin and Chantelle

 

A sociolinguistic impossibility.

[brack]

3 hours ago, drmditch said:

 

I think that of all British Prime Ministers, William Pitt (the younger) was one of the most unlikely to be accused of such behavior.

For all her faults, I'd have thought mrs may was also somewhat unlikely to be caught en flagrante with a young lady.

[Nearholmer]

Are you implying that you can envisage an earlier lady PM being apprehended in that circumstance?

 

If so, I can recommend a psychologist who specialises in trauma counselling.

[RedGemAlchemist]

It'd certainly be a hell of a scandal if a female prime minister was caught in such a situation anyway! 

[sem34090]

Would there, though? Or maybe it's just me who would consider it no more scandalous than if it were a man and woman involved?

[Regularity]

24 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:

Are you implying that you can envisage an earlier lady PM being apprehended in that circumstance?

 

If so, I can recommend a psychologist who specialises in trauma counselling.

You have now planted an unwanted image in my brain, for which there will never be enough therapy.

Instead, I will sue you for mental cruelty.

 

Anyone know a good lawyer?

 

[robmcg]

7 hours ago, wagonman said:

 

Wikipedia. The other version has a different root, and unfortunate connotations...

 

 

"Does Norfolk have an accent?  Or even a local language?  Every locality should have one, surely?"

 

Norfolk has a dialect as well as an accent though it's rapidly being replaced with Estuary English alas. I'm sure it would have been commonplace in Castle Aching in 1905.

 

 

 

 

Mmmm. Late to the party as usual...

 

Thank you, yes of course.

 

I could point out that my motorbike injuries prevent my brain working well, but it seems to be on a par with most, except in some language. I recall after a particularly nasty medical event in 1985 I could not speak nor recognise most words and it was rather peaceful.

 

Within NZ and of course the British Isles there are innumerable accents and dialects, how curious and quaint that Norfolk shares 'yis' with us.  Beck or brook is of course correctly a stream.