RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Edwardian said: Every cloud has, however, a silver lining. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing how "a period of reflection" turns out. After a short interior armed struggle, I have completed my period of reflection. I have reached the conclusion that I am glad to be a true-born Englishman: ... and not Irish or Scottish; French, Spanish, Polish, etc. resident in my country; Muslim; renting; on income support; disabled; ill; over 65; under 35; a single parent; or a female MP. 3 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I'm renting, on income support, disabled and under 35. Well, I'm f***ed then. 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Join the club, Red. We would have matching shirts but we can't afford them. 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: After a short interior armed struggle, I have completed my period of reflection. I have reached the conclusion that I am glad to be a true-born Englishman: ... and not Irish or Scottish; French, Spanish, Polish, etc. resident in my country; Muslim; renting; on income support; disabled; ill; over 65; under 35; a single parent; or a female MP. 5 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 Many years ago I went to a student performance of HMS Pinafore. Ralph was played by a (very evident) Welshman, who spent that entire number vainly waving a Welsh flag. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Yeah. But the best we can do instead is just try and stay happy and pray that they remember to actually respect our human rights. As a different song said, "Hey you, keep your head down." Edited December 13, 2019 by RedGemAlchemist 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 13:21, Edwardian said: Britannia (the buxom lady), seated in the "Vessel of the Constitution", is steered (as you say) by Pitt the Younger between Scylla "the rock of democracy", adorned with the French sans culotte 'cap of liberty', and the "whirlpool of arbitrary power", represented by a submerged crown. Behind the ship are the "SHARKS: Dogs of Scylla", who are likely to be radical Whigs. The centre figure is certainly Charles James Fox. Conceivably the rear figure is fellow Tory Edmund Burke; Burke and Pitt formed a reforming ministry, but the French Revolution prompted them to abandon their plans for constitutional reform, but it could equally be leading Whig the Duke of Portland or someone else entirely. The front figure looks like the late actor Robert Morely! As to the destination? Well, it would help if I could make out the flag, but I can't. Hmm, a perilous journey to an unknown destination. With that, I'm off to vote! Have found some more detail of this splendid Gillray cartoon. The Island Castle Banner reads ' The Haven of Public Happiness', (although it looks rather like a nasty lee shore to me!) The pursuers are :- Charles James Fox (for whom I've always had a sneaking liking) Joseph Priestly Richard Brinsley Sheridan. It is now definitely a good day to retreat from contemporary politics, and retire to William Hague's rather good biography of Pitt the younger. Defeated/retired politicians sometimes seem able to produce a nice line in political biography. I do like Roy Chadwick on both Gladstone and Churchill, although I am suspicious of Roy Hattersley on Lloyd George. One advantage of taking a history degree is that one's natural viewpoint of events is at least fifty, and preferably a hundred, years after they occurred. I just hope that, even though I am unlikely to last long enough to achieve such a perspective on yesterday's election and what may follow it, I am able to live out my declining years in a country which shows some signs of improvement on that which I grew up in, and does not disintegrate into division, degradation and despair! 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, drmditch said: Charles James Fox Joseph Priestly Richard Brinsley Sheridan. How does the liberal dissenter Priestly end up in the company of those two Tories? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 The only good news from today was Crayola announcing their first trade deal betwix USA and UK for 653,000 coloured ( not colored) Crayons for the HoC and its new members they have advised they are chlorinated and semi edible Nick 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I just thought of a slogan. 'Make Britain Great Again'. Do you think this will fly? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: How does the liberal dissenter Priestly end up in the company of those two Tories? They were both radical whigs, that's how 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, nick_bastable said: The only good news from today was Crayola announcing their first trade deal betwix USA and UK for 653,000 coloured ( not colored) Crayons for the HoC and its new members they have advised they are chlorinated and semi edible Nick Made in Mexico by the U.S. company that took over the (British) Cosmic Crayon Co. formerly based at the wonderfully named Cosmic Avenue, Bedford. I say nothing. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, robmcg said: I just thought of a slogan. 'Make Britain Great Again'. Do you think this will fly? As far as relations with the EU are concerned, perhaps that is "Make Britain Grate again." 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmditch Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Compound2632 said: How does the liberal dissenter Priestly end up in the company of those two Tories? Joseph Priestly hosted a celebration dinner in Birmingham for the fall of the Bastille in 1791. This provoked several days of rioting. I'm not sure I would count Charles James Fox as a Tory - not for the most famous part of his life anyway! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: They were both radical whigs, that's how I will go away and re-read the period. I may be gone some time. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 13 hours ago, webbcompound said: erm we have been there for nine years already. I did say descend further, but you still have my sympathies even though Corbyn would have been a worse disaster, sort of a caricature of Stalin without his well known absurdist streak. At least the positive thing for you is that your PM, unlike ours, is not a self proclaimed bible thumper who still offers "thoughts and prayers" instead of action when asked to respond to serious issues. Now bring on all the free trade agreements and goodies that we former members of the pink bits on the world map are expected to be part of ............ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) If we're going to continue on politics then I'm going as I want to switch off of it and move onto more upbeat conversation. Call me back in once we get into something less rage inducing. Edited December 13, 2019 by RedGemAlchemist 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 the chamber appears over heated perhaps a calming breeze is required Nick 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, nick_bastable said: the chamber appears over heated perhaps a calming breeze is required Nick It may give the animals in the first two trucks some fresh air! Brian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, brianusa said: It may give the animals in the first two trucks some fresh air! Considering they appear to be cows, they'll probably need it. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted December 13, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2019 The idiots are voted in so let's get back to civilised topics and leave them to throw toys at each other in their playpen. 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted December 14, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2019 alas I may never listen to the Jupiter by Holst again remembering terrible assemblies and school Dinners but hopefully not morning a country past UK 1914 perchance ? Nick 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 hours ago, Edwardian said: Every cloud has, however, a silver lining. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing how "a period of reflection" turns out. It is grand to see a photo of the 1st Castle Aching Volunteer Motorised Corps on winter manoeuvres. I note that the trooper at the upper far right appears to have a toothache and that some have wisely adopted fur caps to guard against the cold. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted December 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2019 But why is Bob Hope (bottom right) involved? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm 0-6-0 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 11 minutes ago, teaky said: But why is Bob Hope (bottom right) involved? I believe it was his first USO tour ............... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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