Castle Aching

[Edwardian]

I can supply the drawings for the rail vehicles.... Sounds like you haven't got a choice here...

 

Andy G

 

Andy, you Star, you already have!

[Nearholmer]

For sheer unlikliness, this would take some beating https://www.flickr.com/photos/manchesterarchiveplus/5808054346

 

"Fifty two singles, and one buffalo, please."

 

I'm just watching Michael portillo's great American railroad journeys, and am struck by the strong parallel between the colonisation of the "Wild West", and the colonisation of east Africa ....... build a railway roughly parallel to a pre-existing trail, slaughter the local wildlife for commercial gain (buffalo; elephants), displace the local population, start growing cash crops etc etc.

 

K

Edited January 31, 2017 by Nearholmer

[BG John]

For sheer unlikliness, this would take some beating https://www.flickr.com/photos/manchesterarchiveplus/5808054346

 

"Fifty two singles, and one buffalo, please."

Bearing in mind a recent discussion somewhere on Rmweb (I think), about a law in some US city banning shooting of Indians from a tram/street car, were Indians allowed to shoot cowboys from moving trams in Manchester?

[phil_sutters]

Obviously cavalry, and artillery units would have different compositions. A project lurking at the back of my list would be a Garrison Artillery battery of 60pounders, only four guns needed, but lots of supporting waggons and horses so maybe a bit expensive to build. The batteries from Portsmouth went to Salisbury Plain, and the north midlands units went to Cheshire and North Wales, but I would think somebody went to North Norfolk. Something from London could have quite a wide choice of originating railways.

 

This is how the guns (& limbers) travelled - from Kitchener's Army circa 1915

 

While I have the book on the scanner, here are a couple of photos of Yeomanry regiments preparing for service in WW1

 

finally horses and a field howitzer on the move

Edited January 31, 2017 by phil_sutters

[Edwardian]

For sheer unlikliness, this would take some beating https://www.flickr.com/photos/manchesterarchiveplus/5808054346

 

"Fifty two singles, and one buffalo, please."

 

I'm just watching Michael portillo's great American railroad journeys, and am struck by the strong parallel between the colonisation of the "Wild West", and the colonisation of east Africa ....... build a railway roughly parallel to a pre-existing trail, slaughter the local wildlife for commercial gain (buffalo; elephants), displace the local population, start growing cash crops etc etc.

 

K

 

Great picture!

 

I am not sure that the US thinks of itself as a colonial power, but it is.  Whereas the European nations by and large colonised overseas, the story of both the US and Russia, both sides of the Revolution, was of conquering the vast hinterlands that lay on their original borders.

 

 

Guns on train WW1 Kitchener's Army.jpg

 

While I have the book on the scanner, here are a couple of photos of Yeomanry regiments preparing for service in WW1

Yeomanry on excercise c1915 Kitchener's Army.jpg

Yeomanry watering horses c1915 Kitchener's Army.jpg

 

finally horses and a field howitzer on the move

A field howitzer c1915 Kitchener's Army.jpg

 

Great pictures.  Modelling the Yeomanry in the late Edwardian period to WW1 would be easy enough with a number of figure ranges.  The earlier years, however, will be much more of a challenge.

 

I would love to model scenes such as the entraining Yeomanry below.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2017 by Edwardian

[webbcompound]

Guns on train WW1 Kitchener's Army.jpg

 

While I have the book on the scanner, here are a couple of photos of Yeomanry regiments preparing for service in WW1

Yeomanry on excercise c1915 Kitchener's Army.jpg

Yeomanry watering horses c1915 Kitchener's Army.jpg

 

finally horses and a field howitzer on the move

A field howitzer c1915 Kitchener's Army.jpg

These are nice Phil, but using WD stock during the war. Mine would be pre war (1906) so would have to use ordinary stock, so less vehicles/guns per wagon. I have seen a single gun and limber close together  on a short dropside

Edited February 1, 2017 by webbcompound

[phil_sutters]

Great picture!

 

I am not sure that the US thinks of itself as a colonial power, but it is.  Whereas the European nations by and large colonised overseas, the story of both the US and Russia, both sides of the Revolution, was of conquering the vast hinterlands that lay on their original borders.

 

 

 

Great pictures.  Modelling the Yeomanry in the late Edwardian period to WW1 would be easy enough with a number of figure ranges.  The earlier years, however, will be much more of a challenge.

 

I would love to model scenes such as the entraining Yeomanry below.

I think that you are heading into diorama territory. The trains moving will be out of step with all the detailed but static activity around them. Perhaps that comment should be in this thread 

'How to get lynched at a model railway show'

[Edwardian]

 

For horses, this might help : http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/62783-cattle-wagon-loading/?p=817117

 

Mostly about cows, but some info on horses too.

 

 

This is a fascinating list.  As it is civilian traffic, I see no examples of horses in cattle wagons (MEX), but was interested to note that it usual loads for a horsebox (PACO) were a mare plus foal or 3 horses (I would have assumed 2).

 

As to troop size for the Yeomanry in practice, there is a large collection of photographs of the Leicestershire Yeomanry (Prince Albert's Own)  in the 1900s online.  These include pictures of individual Troops.  Rather than the 30-strong of a Great War cavalry Troop, numbers such as 14 or 20 seem to be present. 

 

If I can decide how many horses to a cattle wagon - perhaps 3 or 4? - I am close to working out what a train for a Yeomanry Troop en route to Camp might require.  I reckon 5-6 cattle wagons.

 

It seems to me that some of the options for depicting the Yeomanry on a model railway layout are as follows:

 

- Aforesaid trains arriving or departing for Annual Camp.

 

- On exercise.  A handy vignette for positioning on a public road would be a mounted patrol, perhaps with a single Section (4)

 

- At this period Annual Camps were often held in the grounds of country houses, including those belonging to senior officers in the regiment.  This tradition survived; I recall several weekend exercises held in the grounds of private houses.  Indeed, I recall leading my Troop from Lancashire to Wiltshire on a long-range comms exercise so that I could turn up to a house party to which I had been invited but otherwise would have missed.  But that, as they say, is another story.  My point is that it is possible that Camp is held in the grounds of Aching Hall.

 

- If the regimental camp is held in the vicinity, the regiment might march to the parish church for Church Parade.

 

- As already discussed, Royal escort duty from the station in the case of the Norfolk Yeomanry.

[TheQ]

 

 

- At this period Annual Camps were often held in the grounds of country houses, including those belonging to senior officers in the regiment.  This tradition survived; I recall several weekend exercises held in the grounds of private houses.  Indeed, I recall leading my Troop from Lancashire to Wiltshire on a long-range comms exercise so that I could turn up to a house party to which I had been invited but otherwise would have missed.  But that, as they say, is another story. 

A bit like a Prince dropping in by helicopter?

[Edwardian]

A bit like a Prince dropping in by helicopter?

 

What can I say? I was a young subaltern; it was a lifetime ago and a world away! 

[Fat Lieutenant]

Indeed, I recall leading my Troop from Lancashire to Wiltshire on a long-range comms exercise so that I could turn up to a house party to which I had been invited but otherwise would have missed.  But that, as they say, is another story.  My point is that it is possible that Camp is held in the grounds of Aching Hall.

 

 

What can I say? I was a young subaltern; it was a lifetime ago and a world away! 

 

Good skills.

 

Only question: Was she worth it?

[CF MRC]

Didn't PD Hancock's 'Craig & Mertonford' have a marching grouo of soldiers on it? I seem to recollect that this was rather clever at the time.

 

Tim

[corneliuslundie]

Another representation could be the actual camp in the distance as part of the backscene. I am pretty sure there are photos of such camps near Aberystwyth and of one near the S&M Criggion branch.

Jonathan

[Edwardian]

Didn't PD Hancock's 'Craig & Mertonford' have a marching grouo of soldiers on it? I seem to recollect that this was rather clever at the time.

 

Tim

 

That detail had escaped me, despite being a fan of the layout.  Langley have long-since featured marching Tommies in 1902 service dress, but W D Models do some very nice sets marching and on parade.

 

 

Another representation could be the actual camp in the distance as part of the backscene. I am pretty sure there are photos of such camps near Aberystwyth and of one near the S&M Criggion branch.

Jonathan

 

Good idea.  Yeomanry camps:

[Nearholmer]

Yes, I've got a history of the VoR, which I'm pretty sure has photos of such a camp; IIRC, a 'station' was created specifically for the occasion near Glanrafon. [edit: it was a TA camp, each year 1910-14, and the station for it was called 'Lovesgrove']

 

Pity, in a way, that the WNR doesn't reach into WW1, because in another book, about forestry railways, there are photos of "villages", which look rather like African tribal villages, built to house internees/PoW who worked with the Canadian Forestry Corps all over the UK. It was a strange set-up, because the seamen of neutral merchant navies could be interned and put to work alongside POWs; something to do with preventing neutral ships supplying Germany. The seamen regularly went on strike for better food and accommodation, and there wasn't really very much that anyone could do about it, except give them more time for farming (the units were very largely self-sufficient) and better huts!

 

I think the nearest they got to the WNR was Thetford Forest, but they may have logged the Sandringhsm Estate too.

 

Below are some CFC Lumberjacks. They look OK to me.

K

Edited February 2, 2017 by Nearholmer

[Edwardian]

Below are some CFC Lumberjacks. They look OK to me.

 

 

Oh no, I feel a song coming on ....

[Nearholmer]

Indeed.

 

And, with that merry tune running in your head, some interesting bedtime reading https://archive.org/stream/canadianforestry00birduoft#page/n35/mode/2up

 

Their war diaries are now on line, and with a bit of effort it is possible to read all about whichever unit was posted near to where you live. I swotted-up on the operation near to where I live, and was able to relate the footpaths that we used to walk our dogs on to the CFC rail routes - my son even found a length of 25lb/yd rail in the wood.

 

K

[Donw]

Another representation could be the actual camp in the distance as part of the backscene. I am pretty sure there are photos of such camps near Aberystwyth and of one near the S&M Criggion branch.

Jonathan

 

Are you thinking of Tonfanau near Towyn. Chris Klien is making an 0 gauge model thread on here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111369-tonfanau-camp-it-aint-half-wet-mum/

[Edwardian]

For our very own Stationmaster.  The Royal Berkshire Yeomanry was another unit that adopted the dragoon style, in this case in red.

 

I include two pictures said to be from the Berkshire's 1913 Annual Camp.  One shows the blues, which featured red cuffs, collar patches, hat band and strips to the leg.  The other is, of course, home service khaki service dress.  

 

 

[corneliuslundie]

From memory the view of a camp on the Cambrian was at or near one of the stations between Dovey Junction and Aberystwyth. The Cambrian ran numerous specials over a weekend to serve it. But where I saw the photo - now that is the question.

Jonathan

[tanatvalley]

From memory the view of a camp on the Cambrian was at or near one of the stations between Dovey Junction and Aberystwyth. The Cambrian ran numerous specials over a weekend to serve it. But where I saw the photo - now that is the question.

Jonathan

Bow Street.

[Nearholmer]

Is this the same camp as the one that the VoR served? Lovesgrove lies between the Cambrian "main" and the VoR, so I'm assuming it was?

 

Long distance transport to Bow Street station by mainline railway; pop into Aberystwyth for an evening of fun, frolics, and bible-readings by the VoR.

 

K

Edited February 2, 2017 by Nearholmer

[ChrisN]

If you were to have the Troop actually entraining on the layout you would need a siding with stock that never moved.  If however the troop was standing around generally in or near the station, looking as if they were about to arrive or leave then trains could come and go. 

 

I have a parade along Station Road of a small Welsh Fusiliers recruiting party, complete in scarlet Tropical Uniform, but I have never given thought to how they may have arrived or departed.

[Edwardian]

If you were to have the Troop actually entraining on the layout you would need a siding with stock that never moved.  If however the troop was standing around generally in or near the station, looking as if they were about to arrive or leave then trains could come and go. 

 

 

 

That would seem to be the best compromise for including both the troops and a troop train that can arrive or depart.  In that regard the Yeomen are not different from the model railway passengers who never leave the platform or the stack of packing crates that never leave the goods Yard!

 

Good plan!

 

 

 

I have a parade along Station Road of a small Welsh Fusiliers recruiting party, complete in scarlet Tropical Uniform, but I have never given thought to how they may have arrived or departed.

 

Like this?

[ChrisN]

That would seem to be the best compromise for including both the troops and a troop train that can arrive or depart.  In that regard the Yeomen are not different from the model railway passengers who never leave the platform or the stack of packing crates that never leave the goods Yard!

 

Good plan!

 

 

 

Like this?

 

No, more like this.

 

 

However, a little lad and a band would be interesting.  The colour sergeant is pointing at his wife.  There will be a couple of men taking an early holiday he will be pointing at eventually.