Caley Jim Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Specially for @Caley Jim, a Scottish 4-6-0: Nice carriages, too. Some people are born with a silver spoon in their mouths, others with a big key in their hand* and yet others with a big wooden spoon in their hand**! *for winding other people up. **for stirring things. Jim (c'mon mods, add that 'dislike' button!) 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Proportionality was not Maerklin’ strong point for many years, but get beyond the light bulbs .... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 hours ago, drmditch said: 2 hours ago, drmditch said: The Postman has just delivered a cardboard tube from that nice Mr Isinglass. So now a choice is required about what locomotive to work on next:- NER Class Z NER Class V LNER Class V2 Any opinions? (I am happy to use my binocular vision and opposable thumbs in the course of construction !) The V2 is a very handsome locomotive, and a rarity of type, being one of only three classes of 2-6-2 tender locomotive to be introduced into Britain, but here on this thread it has the major disadvantage of being too modern. So my vote would have to go to one of the Atlantic's. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Penlan said: Even the LNWR ended up with a 4-4-2, a Precursor Tank loco, which doesn't really cut the mustard compared with proper 'Atlantics' that have tenders. I fear you are sadly mistaken. the sainted Webb did produce an Atlantic, prosaicly known by the LNWR as the "Improved 6'0" eight wheeled compound engine" (because ten wheels was an improvement on eight), but known more usually as the "Empress of India Class" Technically, with its radial bogie and compound drivers it was a 2-2-2-2, but to all intents and purposes it was an Atlantic, and as it was designed in 1894 it beats everyone else. This diagram was produced by a junior draughsman at Crewe in 1907 and he made a right horlicks of the measurements. He subsequently became a porter on Shap station. Edited October 12, 2020 by webbcompound 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2020 That's a 2+2-2-2-2... But Crewe was reluctant on the score of leading bogies - Webb's 4-4-0s have a leading 4-wheel radial truck rather than a true bogie, an arrangement retained by Whale and Bowen Cooke. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: That's a 2+2-2-2-2... But Crewe was reluctant on the score of leading bogies - Webb's 4-4-0s have a leading 4-wheel radial truck rather than a true bogie, an arrangement retained by Whale and Bowen Cooke. I used bogie instead of truck, but then all bogies are trucks in North America, and cannon onboard warships are mounted on trucks, and the diagram clearly shows radial axles. Even O.S.Nock (in discussing the Precursors), although admitting that they are "in the strictest sense not bogies at all" nevertheless goes on to refer to them on his plan as bogies, whilst elsewhere referring to them as radial trucks. I would submit that therefore the diagram shows neither a bogie, nor a truck, but a pair of radial axles. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, webbcompound said: I would submit that therefore the diagram shows neither a bogie, nor a truck, but a pair of radial axles. Yes, they're separately mounted in the frames, which is why I called it a 2+2- rather than a 4-. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, webbcompound said: I used bogie instead of truck, but then all bogies are trucks in North America, and cannon onboard warships are mounted on trucks, and the diagram clearly shows radial axles. Even O.S.Nock (in discussing the Precursors), although admitting that they are "in the strictest sense not bogies at all" nevertheless goes on to refer to them on his plan as bogies, whilst elsewhere referring to them as radial trucks. I would submit that therefore the diagram shows neither a bogie, nor a truck, but a pair of radial axles. Except that Bissel* Truck, which was a pony truck and a Bissel Bogie, which was a bogie. *An American 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: Proportionality was not Maerklin’ strong point for many years, but get beyond the light bulbs .... That problem was not limited to Maerklin ... 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Edwardian said: That problem was not limited to Maerklin ... Large boiler GER T19. Nice. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, RedGemAlchemist said: Large boiler GER T19. Nice. Wondering if CA should not aspire to one in addition to a standard T19? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2020 Am I alone in liking the T19r, with leading bogie (not radial wheels!) taken from the trailing bogie of an E10 0-4-4T...? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGemAlchemist Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Wondering if CA should not aspire to one in addition to a standard T19? YES. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Regularity said: Am I alone in liking the T19r, with leading bogie (not radial wheels!) taken from the trailing bogie of an E10 0-4-4T...? No, you are not, at least, so goes my understanding, parts thereof 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: That problem was not limited to Maerklin ... one fears that Mr Mayor has taken a lesson from he who shall not be named in bluster, side stepping and evasion of the question Nick B 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: Except that Bissel* Truck, which was a pony truck and a Bissel Bogie, which was a bogie. *An American The CR had some 6-wheel swivel* (bolster) wagons with Bissel trucks. *They called all their 4 and 6-wheel bolster wagons 'swivel wagons' because the bolster was on a pivot at its centre. Jim 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, nick_bastable said: one fears that Mr Mayor has taken a lesson from he who shall not be named in bluster, side stepping and evasion of the question Nick B Yes, I bought some 009 fishplates. No idea where I put them. Standby. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Edwardian said: Yes, I bought some 009 fishplates. No idea where I put them. Standby. it might be piffle or as I well know I put them somewhere safe ............... Nick B 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 hours ago, webbcompound said: I fear you are sadly mistaken. the sainted Webb did produce an Atlantic, prosaicly known by the LNWR as the "Improved 6'0" eight wheeled compound engine" (because ten wheels was an improvement on eight), but known more usually as the "Empress of India Class" Technically, with its radial bogie and compound drivers it was a 2-2-2-2, but to all intents and purposes it was an Atlantic, Apart from the 1907 drawing, is there any other record of it being built/converted to this 10 wheeled version. I'm surprised Ted Talbot hasn't mentioned it in one of his books, unless I've missed it. But basically it's not an Atlantic, because the two drivers are not directly coupled, in my opinion. However I leave it to wiser heads than mine to sort that one out 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 hours ago, drmditch said: This is 'apeism' ! It is fashionable to have a group that matters these days. I haven't yet come across one for the great ape or apeism, I defer to Mr drmditch. Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, nick_bastable said: it might be piffle or as I well know I put them somewhere safe ............... I've searching this evening for a bottle of glue which I had very recently and then put 'somewhere safe'. If anyone can tell us where that 'somewhere' is I for one would be much obliged. Jim 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, brianusa said: It is fashionable to have a group that matters these days. You mean like the Procrastination Society, which I never seem to get round to joining! Jim 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Annie Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Caley Jim said: You mean like the Procrastination Society, which I never seem to get round to joining! Jim 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbcompound Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Penlan said: Apart from the 1907 drawing, is there any other record of it being built/converted to this 10 wheeled version. I'm surprised Ted Talbot hasn't mentioned it in one of his books, unless I've missed it. After the succesfull exhibition of the Queen Empress at the Chicago World Exposition in 1893 the Empress of India was also sent to America where it was believed to have influenced the Baldwin Company who were designing an new loco for the Atlantic City Line. The loco was aboard the SS Hanoverian, an Allen Line ship which set off from Baltimore for Liverpool in the summer of 1885. Unfortunately the ship went down and the locomotive was lost. Edited October 12, 2020 by webbcompound 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nick_bastable Posted October 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2020 happy days sanity may have returned to the chamber Nick B 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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