sem34090 5,874 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 I had thought of that, but nobody would get it! It's also home for me; I have far too much useless old tat that nobody modern and sensible would care about. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Edwardian 37,284 Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, sem34090 said: I took a few more last night; The university photographic society is running a competition with the theme of "Home". With each shot I think I get further from that theme... I suppose they might count if one can claim "Home Front" to be valid. Need to decide which one to enter. I'm not sure about this last one. I like to think there's a story behind it, but despite a sort of general impression of espionage I'm not sure what that is. Besides, in a university environment I expect even possessing anything with that symbol on it is enough to get me publicly shamed. At any rate it's not exactly relevant to the theme. As it happens, the symbol shown is on the cover of the 1978 edition of Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Superb pictures, Sem, though I suspect the last is to court unnecessary controversy. Real period feel. You evidently live in a museum, or, perhaps, like me, simply in the past! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,874 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) I think the last is the least likely to be entered; I liked the idea of a narrative there but as you say it's unnecessarily controversial. It's hard to tell which sometimes, but I'd venture "museum" rather than "past" as my views on various things are perhaps rather more modern than the prevailing ones during the periods represented (Although the one with the P isn't meant to be a period shot). As I said, though, I think the real answer is that I own an awful lot of tat! Oh, and both cameras shown in the photos have film in them. Not sure how easy it is to get 9.5mm Cine developed these days, mind... Let alone buy new film. The sealed film is marked "Not to be developed later than Jan 31 1930" so probably best not to un-seal it. It may be usable, but there's something nice about something that has survived so many years unopened. Edited October 25, 2020 by sem34090 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Nearholmer 29,782 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Interesting, very interesting. When I was in my late teens I was also into photography, and set up a very similar series of shots, using material from the 30s, 40s and early 50s, and you may know that my taste for the aesthetic of those years has not departed. Personally, I would steer well clear of even flirting with Nazi symbolism though - I have no idea what it means to you personally, but it's what it means to other people that is important in the context of something that is to become public. If the theme is "home", then "heimat" means a lot more in German than just the place where you grew-up, and has very dark connotations in connection with that symbol. 7 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,874 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) This has all been occurring to me since I took it... As I say I was going for something relating to espionage (Hence why everything else in the shot is British) but you're quite right. Currently seeing if I can go for "BR Goods Office". And in B&W; If anyone can suggest how they fit the theme of "Home"... Edited October 25, 2020 by sem34090 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites
drmditch 1,598 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 21 hours ago, Edwardian said: I'll try to do better when the sun returns to the North! Excuse me! We've been having some magnificent dawns recently. (Although perhaps I'm a little further North than you!) 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Edwardian 37,284 Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 "dawn"? Sorry, you'll have to explain what that is. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Edwardian 37,284 Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 7 hours ago, sem34090 said: This has all been occurring to me since I took it... As I say I was going for something relating to espionage (Hence why everything else in the shot is British) but you're quite right. Currently seeing if I can go for "BR Goods Office". And in B&W; If anyone can suggest how they fit the theme of "Home"... "What's that? You're calling from the casting department about a remake of Oh, Mr Porter?" 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites
sem34090 5,874 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 You're the third person to say that today! I never thought of myself as a Graham Moffatt lookalike, but it seems there must be something in that... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Canal Digger 164 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 If you are playing Albert, please who is getting the role of Jeremiah Harbottle (Moore Marriott)? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
drmditch 1,598 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: "dawn"? Sorry, you'll have to explain what that is. You'll have to get up earlier now! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
brianusa 13,081 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Edwardian said: "dawn"? Sorry, you'll have to explain what that is. Someone tried to describe the experience but it appears you have to get up early which lets me out! Brian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Nearholmer 29,782 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 The point is surely that in the winter you don't have to get up early to see the dawn, in fact it takes a lie-in to miss it. And, can anyone tell me why, very often in winter the sun rises all nice and red and bright and promising, only to instantly disappear into a dark-admiralty-grey cloud sheet that then covers the sky for the entire day, until the sun dips below it in the distant west for about half a millisecond as it sets? If I believed in deities, I might imagine that they deliberately tease us by having the sun wink at us twice a day. But, thankfully we don't seem to have got to that bit of winter yet. We are having the torrential downpours part of Autumn currently. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
nick_bastable 2,154 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: The point is surely that in the winter you don't have to get up early to see the dawn, in fact it takes a lie-in to miss it. And, can anyone tell me why, very often in winter the sun rises all nice and red and bright and promising, only to instantly disappear into a dark-admiralty-grey cloud sheet that then covers the sky for the entire day, until the sun dips below it in the distant west for about half a millisecond as it sets? If I believed in deities, I might imagine that they deliberately tease us by having the sun wink at us twice a day. But, thankfully we don't seem to have got to that bit of winter yet. We are having the torrential downpours part of Autumn currently. Red sky in morning sheperds warning etc Nick B 4 Link to post Share on other sites
jcredfer 4,420 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Nearholmer said: The point is surely that in the winter you don't have to get up early to see the dawn, in fact it takes a lie-in to miss it. And, can anyone tell me why, very often in winter the sun rises all nice and red and bright and promising, only to instantly disappear into a dark-admiralty-grey cloud sheet that then covers the sky for the entire day, until the sun dips below it in the distant west for about half a millisecond as it sets? If I believed in deities, I might imagine that they deliberately tease us by having the sun wink at us twice a day. But, thankfully we don't seem to have got to that bit of winter yet. We are having the torrential downpours part of Autumn currently. Difficult without providing a picture, so, taking a deep breath..... are you good at mental pictures? The Earth's atmosphere tends to be of similar, rather thin, depth around the World. The same atmosphere contains various amounts of dust and other pollutants. If you are fortunate enough to look at the Sun when it passes vertically overhead, then there will only be that thin layer between you and the Sun. Minimum amount of pollutants to pass through, en route to you. At Dawn and Dusk the Sun is viewed more tangentially, so has to pass through a vastly increased distance through the atmosphere, so much increased amount of pollutants to pass through. Those particles in the atmosphere diffuse the light. The further the light passes through the atmosphere, the more the light gets defused {spread} and the greater the visual effect. {Dawn / Dusk} Some colours get deflected more than others. Sun overhead, full bright white light, Sun on the horizon, blue light spreads more than the red/orange, so red/orange then becomes more predominant and so more visible - {Big Harvest Moon} My brain hurts and awaits the pedants..... Julian 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Compound2632 26,677 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Edwardian said: "dawn"? Sorry, you'll have to explain what that is. Delightful girl, rosy-fingered, something of a goer: Eos / Aurora, daughter of Hyperion and Theia, mother of the winds. Sister to Helios / Apollo, god of the sun and Selene / Luna, goddess of the moon. I knew a girl called Dawn Moon. She married a chap called Hamilton as soon as possible. He was in the navy so she was thenceforward known as Emma. Edited October 26, 2020 by Compound2632 5 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Nearholmer 29,782 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) Jcredfer That explains why the sun appears red/orange when low in the sky. It doesn’t explain why it often appears at the edge of cloud sheet at dawn and dusk. K Edited October 26, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Kirkham 2,393 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Jcredfer That explains why the sun appears red/orange when low in the sky. It doesn’t explain why it often appears at the edge of cloud sheet at dawn and dusk. K Is it just because the rays are shining horizontally (or rather tangentially) so can sneak underneath the clouds? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Nearholmer 29,782 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 Yes. But, why do the cloud sheets so often have their edges at positions that permit this? (The truth is, I think, that they probably don’t often. It is more likely that on those odd occasions when they do it produces a memorable winking sunrise/set, rather than a forgettably grey slow increase/decrease in light level.) 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Northroader 11,904 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 What I don’t understand is why the dawn comes up like thunder on the road to Mandalay? 3 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Regularity 6,656 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 11 hours ago, jcredfer said: Some colours get deflected more than others. Yes. Shorter wavelengths get scattered more easily, which is the blue end of the spectrum, which is why the sky is blue. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
webbcompound 1,528 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Northroader said: What I don’t understand is why the dawn comes up like thunder on the road to Mandalay? In fact no-one does. The main reason for this is that if you were looking from the road to Mandalay across some kind of Bay you would be looking West towards the Bay of Bengal and the line should read "The night comes down like thunder over India cross the bay, which wouldn't scan unless you used the Imperial pronuciation of InJa rather than In-Di-A and would have little poetic value. Such is life. Edited October 26, 2020 by webbcompound 2 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Kirkham 2,393 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Northroader said: What I don’t understand is why the dawn comes up like thunder on the road to Mandalay? And I've never really been able to visualise those flying fishes playing on the road. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Nearholmer 29,782 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I had always assumed that colonial mariners used the term “road” in much the way that railwaymen do, to mean “route”. 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Compound2632 26,677 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: I had always assumed that colonial mariners used the term “road” in much the way that railwaymen do, to mean “route”. That was my thinking too. Also "road" in the sense of an anchorage, though I think that's usually in the plural. Edited October 26, 2020 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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