RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted February 3, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2019 Many thanks for that PM, Looks like 17 or 18 Presflos so quite a bit shorter than the Cemflo train. Those wagons all look to be in bauxite livery, rather than the Blue Circle yellow. Is that what you’d expect? Regards Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 48 minutes ago, thegreenhowards said: Many thanks for that PM, Looks like 17 or 18 Presflos so quite a bit shorter than the Cemflo train. Those wagons all look to be in bauxite livery, rather than the Blue Circle yellow. Is that what you’d expect? That all have APCM Blue Circle boards so probably originally Yellow or Grey bodies depending on year built and manufacturer. The train is very likely made up of both. Much as the train seen here at 7 mins 42 Secs. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted February 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2019 Thanks PM, Nice footage of the Class 31 + Presflos, but presumably well into the 1960s. My understanding was that there were at least three batches of Blue Circle Presflos. The yellow ones as per the Airfix kit in 1960, the grey ones with rectangular advertising as on the yellow ones in 1963 (see quote from HMRSPaul below) and a bauxite batch with smaller Blue Circle roundels in 1961 (as on https://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/grcw_cement-wagons/and recently produced by Bachmann). I had also assumed (based on photos) that there was a bauxite batch with the larger square advertising but I now suspect they must have been dirty yellow or grey wagons. Am I right in saying that there weren't any grey wagons before 1963? I hope to be wrong as it will save me repainting a couple of grey wagons in my possession! Regards Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, thegreenhowards said: Am I right in saying that there weren't any grey wagons before 1963? Check out the release date of the film. 1961! So filmed earlier and the footage highlights many BR projects of the mid to late 1950's. 31 has no SYWP. Plenty of Gray Presflo's in that rake. Take caution with the Presflo body types though. Fortunately Bachmann has moulded both types. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 'Focus on Freight- Eastern Region Freight Since 1960' by Shaun Pearce has some photos which may be of interest. Page 39 has a view of 92040 at Knebworth on 25th May 1963 on the Up train from Uddingston. The wagons are Cemflos. Page 42 has a rake of Presflos at Peterborough behind V2 60845, taken in July, 1961. Page 34 has 9F 92188 on Blue Circle Presflos in June 1960 at Broookman's Cross. Page 31 has a BR official view of a block train of 'Blue Circle' Presflos at Barking flyover. Steam hauled (you can see the exhaust), but loco not visible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium thegreenhowards Posted February 4, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2019 Thanks for the tip. Its not in my library, but I found one on Amazon for £2.80 with free postage, so I can look forward to catching up on those photos soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Roche Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The Purfleet to Cambuslang and Leith Service commenced in June 1960. Initially it was hauled North to York by Class 9F’s, but it quickly increased in length and apparently it’s haulage became a problem. Famously Peter Townend stated that the only locomotives that were powerful enough to haul it were The Thompson A2/3’s. However try as I might I have been unable to find a photo or recorded details of their use on this train. From August 1961 a new service was inaugurated from Cliffe to Uddingston utilising Cemflo wagons and appears to have eventually replaced the previous Anglo Scottish Service that utilised Presfos. Thus if A2/3’s were used it was probably only for a short period during 1961. It appears that Presflos were still operated in trains along The ECML as flyash was also carried as well as cement but the train length was probably shorter than previously so 9F’s and V2’s were able to undertake the work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Kevin Roche said: The Purfleet to Cambuslang and Leith Service commenced in June 1960. Initially it was hauled North to York by Class 9F’s, but it quickly increased in length and apparently it’s haulage became a problem. Famously Peter Townend stated that the only locomotives that were powerful enough to haul it were The Thompson A2/3’s. However try as I might I have been unable to find a photo or recorded details of their use on this train. From August 1961 a new service was inaugurated from Cliffe to Uddingston utilising Cemflo wagons and appears to have eventually replaced the previous Anglo Scottish Service that utilised Presfos. Thus if A2/3’s were used it was probably only for a short period during 1961. It appears that Presflos were still operated in trains along The ECML as flyash was also carried as well as cement but the train length was probably shorter than previously so 9F’s and V2’s were able to undertake the work. There are a few photos, which may be of interest, in 'Focus on Freight' by Shaun Pearce. On page 34, there is a photo of a 9F on Presflos, taken at Potter's Bar in June 1960. Page 39 has a view of another 9F on Cemflos, taken at Knebworth on May 25th 1963. Finally, Page 42 has V2 60845 at Peterborough North on Presflos, taken July 1961. Sadly, I found no views of Pacifics on cement workings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Roche Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On Presflo Workings on The Southern Section of The ECML I have only been able to identify the use of 9F’s and V2’s. Sightings of A2/3s on Freight Trains along this section also appear to be rare at this time although there is a record of 60515 Sun Stream on The Overnite Meat Train from Aberdeen in September 1961 ( thanks to Tommy Knox for info ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Roche Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On Presflo Workings on The Southern Section of The ECML I have only been able to identify the use of 9F’s and V2’s. Sightings of A2/3s on Freight Trains along this section also appear to be rare at this time although there is a record of 60515 Sun Stream on The Overnite Meat Train from Aberdeen in September 1961 ( thanks to Tommy Knox for info ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 30/07/2019 at 10:46, Fat Controller said: There are a few photos, which may be of interest, in 'Focus on Freight' by Shaun Pearce. On page 34, there is a photo of a 9F on Presflos, taken at Potter's Bar in June 1960. Page 39 has a view of another 9F on Cemflos, taken at Knebworth on May 25th 1963. Finally, Page 42 has V2 60845 at Peterborough North on Presflos, taken July 1961. Sadly, I found no views of Pacifics on cement workings. If you look back through this thread you will find a Pacific on a Cemflo - an A4 in fact. Scroll about 2/3rds down the page for 60006. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 9, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 9, 2019 Nice photo at Chinley from 1979 with a rake of (not so) silver queens. https://flic.kr/p/S88UPP 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 20 hours ago, stovepipe said: Nice photo at Chinley from 1979 with a rake of (not so) silver queens. https://flic.kr/p/S88UPP With some Presflos tacked on the back by the look of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2021 Rather than start a whole new thread, I thought I'd ask my related question here (if there are no objections?). Would anyone happen to know, or be able to point me in the right direction, of information concerning head code details for Cliffe-Uddingston service via the ECML, particularly for the Crompton (Class 33) hauled trains? Many thanks in anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBAGE Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 (edited) 34 minutes ago, iands said: Rather than start a whole new thread, I thought I'd ask my related question here (if there are no objections?). Would anyone happen to know, or be able to point me in the right direction, of information concerning head code details for Cliffe-Uddingston service via the ECML, particularly for the Crompton (Class 33) hauled trains? Many thanks in anticipation. See page 1 of this topic. Sir Porcy of Mane has posted a number of photographs on this topic, both north and south of York. Edited July 23, 2021 by RBAGE Credit where credit is due. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium iands Posted July 23, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2021 5 hours ago, RBAGE said: See page 1 of this topic. Sir Porcy of Mane has posted a number of photographs on this topic, both north and south of York. Thanks, I'd seen the photos posted by Porcy Mane, I just wondered if the was any more detail anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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