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I've been looking for some ideas to model some oddities and after seeing a few photos of pre-nationalisation coaching stock in BR blue & grey it looks like I might have some ideas. I'm fully aware of the Gresley buffets that survived into the blue/grey era and also some GWR sleeping cars that also gained blue/grey. I also have a phot of an LMS porthole corridor brake 2nd in blue/grey. Does anyone have a list of what other big four coaches that managed to survive to gain blue/grey???

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Didn't some ex-LMS sleepers make it into blue grey and some of the ex-LMS 50ft BGs definitely did. You could also include some of the Pullman stock although I'm not sure if it was just the Brighton Belle

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Not 100% sure if this is the best place for this but here goes:-

 

I've been looking for some ideas to model some oddities and after seeing a few photos of pre-nationalisation coaching stock in BR blue & grey it looks like I might have some ideas. I'm fully aware of the Gresley buffets that survived into the blue/grey era and also some GWR sleeping cars that also gained blue/grey. I also have a phot of an LMS porthole corridor brake 2nd in blue/grey. Does anyone have a list of what other big four coaches that managed to survive to gain blue/grey???

 

Hi Dave

 

Have you considered joining Robert Carol's BR Coaching Stock Yahoo Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BRCoachingStock

 

I know it is a subject that has been covered in depth on there. Just using my memory just a few ordinary coaches were repainted blue grey, these included a couple of Hawksworths and some Stanier Porthole brake second corridors. All other stock was catering, sleeping, mail or parcels coaches.

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Hi Dave

 

Have you considered joining Robert Carol's BR Coaching Stock Yahoo Group https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BRCoachingStock

 

I know it is a subject that has been covered in depth on there. Just using my memory just a few ordinary coaches were repainted blue grey, these included a couple of Hawksworths and some Stanier Porthole brake second corridors. All other stock was catering, sleeping, mail or parcels coaches.

Thanks for that info Phil & Clive. I did do a search on here for the subject but I obviously didn't ask the question in the right way as the link that Phil has mentioned didn't come up but now I've found that I'll follow that one. And I'll have a look at that yahoo group as well although I have noticed that on the thread there are links to what I presume is Robert Carol's Flickr pages. I'll have to get the pic scanned that I have of the stanier porthole coach which was published in the March 1967 copy of Model Railway Constructor - A new livery for British Rail

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I've posted this image on the thread that Phil had given a link for but I've repeated it here to. A page from the March 1967 Model Railway Constructor - A new livery for British Rail showing an LMS Stanier porthole brake that survived to get BR blue/grey livery

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I think there were a few Gresley BGs too.

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Several LMS sleeping cars made in into b/g and ran in dedicated rakes rather than being mixed with BR sleepers.  One ended it days parked on the West Highland Line as a staff mess coach I believe.  At least two Thompson buffets also made it and were normally used on the Kings Cross - Cambridge "Buffet Bar Express" workings.  Among Pullman cars the Brighton Belle units all ran in b/g as did the Golden Arrow cars.  It's worth remembering also that some of the pre-nat stock roamed far and wide such as Gresley buffet W9135E which ended its days at Cardiff Canton and often turned up in Cardiff - Portsmouth trains.

 

Here's the WHL one, whose number I can't make out and failed to record separately, parked in the siding at Bridge of Orchy in August 1976.  Dumped with what appears to be a former Met-Cam Pullman car converted to overnight catering vehicle.

 

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Several LMS sleeping cars made in into b/g and ran in dedicated rakes rather than being mixed with BR sleepers.  One ended it days parked on the West Highland Line as a staff mess coach I believe.  At least two Thompson buffets also made it and were normally used on the Kings Cross - Cambridge "Buffet Bar Express" workings.  Among Pullman cars the Brighton Belle units all ran in b/g as did the Golden Arrow cars.  It's worth remembering also that some of the pre-nat stock roamed far and wide such as Greasily buffet W9135E which ended its days at Cardiff Canton and often turned up in Cardiff - Portsmouth trains.

 

Here's the WHL one, whose number I can't make out and failed to record separately, parked in the siding at Bridge of Orchy in August 1976.  Dumped with what appears to be a former Met-Cam Pullman car converted to overnight catering vehicle.

 

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as http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmscoach/e37460bee

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Most of the SR EMU's that survived in to the mid-60's were repainted into BR blue, although few (if any?) made it into blue/grey. e.g 4 SUB, 2 BIL, 4COR. and of course, the ex LPTB Vec and Tis units of the IOW, which did get a blue/grey livery for sure.

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Didn't some ex-LMS sleepers make it into blue grey and some of the ex-LMS 50ft BGs definitely did. You could also include some of the Pullman stock although I'm not sure if it was just the Brighton Belle

 

At least one LMS sleeper was sitting in poor external condition in a siding at Horsted Keynes on the Bluebell Railway when I visited in 1999. It was in BR blue and grey.

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I've posted this image on the thread that Phil had given a link for but I've repeated it here to. A page from the March 1967 Model Railway Constructor - A new livery for British Rail showing an LMS Stanier porthole brake that survived to get BR blue/grey livery

 

That would make a nice model...special edition maybe?

 

Assuming that there is already a model of this in a more conventional livery.

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That would make a nice model...special edition maybe?

 

Assuming that there is already a model of this in a more conventional livery.

Weren't Hornby or Bachmann talking about releasing some porthole stock???

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Weren't Hornby or Bachmann talking about releasing some porthole stock???

 

Bachmann already do porthole stock, including a brake third that looks to me very much like the one in the picture.

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M614M in use as a staff accommodation vehicle at Bedford

 

M614M - http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/6423328875/

 

M30202M in use on the Lincoln - Crewe mail circuit

 

M30302M – http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/5890752066/

 

LMS full brake

 

M31024 – http://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/5890753494/

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The LMS Carriage Association ( http://www.lmsca.org.uk ) are trying to assemble a comprehensive list of blue/grey pre-nat stock. 

 

Perhaps all they need do is speak to Robert Carroll and others (not myself I should add) on here who have already done the work for them and made it freely available...

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Brian Kirby has recently done a thread on repainting Bachmann LMS Portholes.

 

I would have thought one in blue-grey might make a nice commission for someone.

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